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| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5179 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes  Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi | Message 25 of 50 10 February 2013 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have quite an old book in Italian. They use 'egli' ella' as 3 person singular.
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| sans-serif Tetraglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4560 days ago 298 posts - 470 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, German, Swedish Studies: Danish | Message 26 of 50 10 February 2013 at 11:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
Not if you ask me; at least not from a purely grammatical point of view. It is a related usage, however, and its meaning is imperative-like, so it would probably be a good footnote to the rule of thumb you presented. I think we all agree that there's no real ambiguity here, provided that we have a prosodic context, which is a fair assumption as we are talking about colloquial forms.
Uncommon? Certainly. Archaic? Hopefully not. I routinely use teitittely with strangers about my parents' age or older, and often with cashiers, waiters and other customer service personnel, too. Edited by sans-serif on 10 February 2013 at 11:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6062 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 27 of 50 11 February 2013 at 12:16am | IP Logged | |||||
At least one grammar site I use has "egli" and "essi". It's archaic, although not wrong - I checked with Italian teachers. I must confess I use this notation while studying: "egli" looks better than "lui / lei / Lei" in a conjugation table. :p 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| berabero89 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4643 days ago 101 posts - 137 votes Speaks: English, Amharic* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, French | Message 28 of 50 11 February 2013 at 3:02am | IP Logged | |||||
In fact, in the Black Country, Lancashire and Yorkshire dialects of English, people still use the "thou" pronoun set. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4669 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 29 of 50 11 February 2013 at 3:40am | IP Logged | |||||
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THOU GOEST is archaic ;)
Egli is not that archaic, we may call it obsolete, but is still common in 20th century Italian literature (unlike THOU GOEST in English). Edited by Medulin on 11 February 2013 at 3:41am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
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Classics of 19th century Croatian literature have been recently sold together with newspapers (as a free gift, or at a ridiculously low additional sum), but they were adapted (in)to 21th century Croatian. The spelling, syntax and vocabulary were changed in order to please the readers of today. The style was the same as the one used in modern translations of old foreign classics. Edited by Medulin on 11 February 2013 at 3:51am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
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お金があろうがあるまいが無関係であろう
You'd say お金があるかどうか、関係ないでしょう nowadays, but I find some "archaic" structures too sexy to not be used. Edited by atama warui on 11 February 2013 at 8:49am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
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