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Keilan
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Canada
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Speaks: English*
Studies: German

 
 Message 9 of 11
15 March 2013 at 5:27am | IP Logged 
I'm just taking a shot in the dark here, but I feel like Quebec in particular might be difficult for a bilingual child. In some bilingual situations you have very distinct splits between the two (e.g. They always speak Chinese at home and they always speak English at school), where as in Quebec it's sort of a constant hybrid of the two. In Montreal at least it seemed like people would switch languages almost mid-sentence. So for a child it seems logical to me that they would have trouble establishing them as separate languages.

On the other hand, living in Russia right now in a bilingual environment, the children of coworkers are very aware of the split. There are 4 or 5 year old kids who will ask you to switch to their preferred language (even though they might know the basics of the other), and 8 or 9 year old kids who will translate words if you ask them (although they do need to think about it for longer than the diglottal adults).
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FELlX
Diglot
Groupie
France
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Speaks: French*, English

 
 Message 10 of 11
16 March 2013 at 11:17am | IP Logged 
emk wrote:
Even though I learned French late in life, it can subtly influence my English. If I've been thinking in French for a day or two, and I start speaking English, I actually spend the first 10 minutes translating from French into English, with occasionally weird results. And when I write in English, I'll often think of a particularly nice connector phrase in French, and then spend a few seconds trying to find an elegant English equivalent.
Happens to me too, sometimes I say "sur le chemin de l'école" instead of "en me rendant à l'école" (on my way to school); or "j'ai tout d'installé" instead of "j'ai tout installé" (I have everything installed). However the other way around is rarer.
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shk00design
Triglot
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Canada
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Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin
Studies: French

 
 Message 11 of 11
17 March 2013 at 5:55am | IP Logged 
In the Chinese community in the US & Canada it is common for the second & third generation to mix in
English words when you come to a term you don't know. Since the Chinese in N. America were brought up
and educated outside of Asia, it is expected that the younger generations would not know many
expressions commonly used in that part of the world. People would get credits for having some ability to
speak Chinese as opposed to none at all.

Recently I was listening to a local multi-cultural radio station in Canada broadcasting a commercial in
Chinese having an interesting mix of context. Someone was talking about an item being 20% off. In English
you use the number 20% but in the Chinese version you would say 八折 bāzhé. 八 for the number 8 and 折
for 1/10 discount. In other words in Chinese you'd say: the price is "8/10 discounted" for "20% off".
Instead, someone on the radio program said: 百分之二十折 bǎifēnzhīèrshízhé translated as "20%
discounted" similar to the English way of saying. A bit unusual...


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