leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 9 of 37 08 April 2013 at 6:21pm | IP Logged |
This is possibly the most covered topic on the forum. I wonder what the top ten are?
6 persons have voted this message useful
|
hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5131 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe
| Message 10 of 37 08 April 2013 at 7:04pm | IP Logged |
leosmith wrote:
This is possibly the most covered topic on the forum. I wonder what
the top ten are? |
|
|
It's usually the same people bringing up the same topic, too.
Edited by hrhenry on 08 April 2013 at 7:05pm
1 person has voted this message useful
|
Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 11 of 37 08 April 2013 at 7:35pm | IP Logged |
beano wrote:
Does this happen when speakers of other languages move to another country? Are there Dutch people in Spain who make no effort with Spanish? Do Russians move to Germany and expect to lead their whole life in Russian....and so on. |
|
|
I'm curious about the Dutchmen in Spain. Most of them already speak English, but does it help or spoil everything? I guess it depends?
For pretty obvious reasons there are a lot of Russian immigrants no matter where you look. There's a big community in Germany, although not everyone has this luxury (of using only Russian). Nowadays there's a requirement for having at least some German knowledge afaiu, and I suppose it's like that in other countries as well. (ironically, I happened to get started on Finnish about a week after my 15th birthday - which is the age after which you're expected to be unable to pick it up naturally, and so the exam is required after that. I don't think C1 is necessary though:P)
Also, I know that at least for Germany, TOEFL gives a would-be immigrant some bonus points.
1 person has voted this message useful
|
Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 12 of 37 08 April 2013 at 8:29pm | IP Logged |
Sometimes English is enough for non-native English speakers too.
6 persons have voted this message useful
|
Lorren Senior Member United States brookelorren.com/blo Joined 4252 days ago 286 posts - 324 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Danish, Irish Studies: Russian
| Message 13 of 37 08 April 2013 at 9:07pm | IP Logged |
I lived in Italy for three years. While there, I tried to learn the language. I took classes in Italian. When I moved back to the United States, I could buy stuff at the grocery store, order food, and do basic introductions in the language, but I never became fluent.
I didn't have a ton of opportunities to use it in my daily life. On a military base, everybody we worked with spoke English, even the Italians (although some were way more fluent than others). I worked with other Americans. Most of my shopping was done on base with other Americans. While I would often greet my Italian coworkers in Italian, I never really got to the point where I spoke it well.
I suppose that it might be harder to do that in places where you're not working with native speakers of your own language, but if you have a job working with people of your own nationality, and shop in stores where the majority of the people there speak your language, it is very possible to live in a foreign country and not become fluent in the language.
1 person has voted this message useful
|
Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4669 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali
| Message 14 of 37 08 April 2013 at 10:26pm | IP Logged |
Carlucio wrote:
It may happen in some European countries, but here in Brazil if don't learn portuguese you are screwed, even more than not speaking English in US. |
|
|
Argentinians rarely bother to learn Portuguese, even after many years in Brazil...And tourists couldn't care less...
1 person has voted this message useful
|
vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6961 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese
| Message 15 of 37 08 April 2013 at 10:45pm | IP Logged |
Are English speakers lazy with languages?
Yes they are !
2 persons have voted this message useful
|
casamata Senior Member Joined 4263 days ago 237 posts - 377 votes Studies: Portuguese
| Message 16 of 37 09 April 2013 at 1:01am | IP Logged |
vilas wrote:
Are English speakers lazy with languages?
Yes they are ! |
|
|
So are...Italians, Russians, Spanish, everybody! How do you explain the tons of Hispanics that fail to learn English in the US after living here for 10+ years? It's not limited to English speakers.
Small countries and those that speak languages that are not very influential world-wide tend to be very multilingual. Whereas English, Spanish, and Russian speakers would be less hampered by not knowing a lot of foreign languages.
1 person has voted this message useful
|