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| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5650 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 809 of 844 27 November 2014 at 4:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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Good news for my personal life: I got a job offer to start working at EY (Ernst & Young)
starting either next summer or fall. Bad thing: I need to start studying for the CPA exam asap. That means my language studying will suffer a lot. As that means I no longer will ever have time to intensively study languages ever again (until I retire lol), I need to devise a way to keep learning languages extensively over a much longer period of time. I'll most likely have to use Anki so that I don't forget everything because I won't have the time to intensively learn. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4869 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 810 of 844 27 November 2014 at 9:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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Congrats on your job offer!
If I were you, I'd go for reading to maintain vocabulary as soon as possible. Anki is great, but once again I'm noticing that learning words with Anki doesn't mean knowing them in spoken and written sentences... I've been thinking about what you wrote about having a job and productivity. Working really doesn't leave a lot of time, but apart from some much-needed relaxation I really feel like I'm using the available time to the fullest, which I guess makes me more productive overall. Only that a lot of that productivity goes into work... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5650 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 811 of 844 28 November 2014 at 3:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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My issue with reading is that I need a lot of time to read for it to work effectively as
a means of improving my vocabulary. At best, I'll probably have time to read an article in Korean and Japanese and call it a day. I would most likely forget almost all of the words I learned because I most likely wouldn't see them in context for a long time. I am mainly going to use Anki to ramp up my grammar knowledge by using MCDs to help me with being able to use the languages actively. My current plan for the next few years is to put all of the sentences from my grammar books into Anki while also finding other ways to improve my active usage of the languages. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5650 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 812 of 844 07 December 2014 at 3:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Actually druckfehler, I think you may be right. Anki works more for a really
structured studying regimen, and even then, it works better for beginners. Given my situation, it would probably be much easier going for massive input and output than trying to really nail down certain vocabulary and grammar. It will be much easier to just look up a lot of words, copy down the Chinese characters a lot (plus plenty of extensive reading will help me remember how to read the characters), and then I'll just need a decent way to work on output. I'll probably just go back to what I was doing in the summer: practicing sentences in my head, writing on Twitter and my language blog, and may either do a mix between copying sentences down on paper and reciting them. Going over the numbers, I was thinking "Would learning 1,000 words a year in Anki be worth it or should I just read and read and read some more and see thousands upon thousands of words in context instead?" Then apply this to several languages, as I want to continue with Korean, Japanese and Mandarin until I get to a comfortable level. It was about a week ago I was reading a post on facebook from Kirsten Ren (a Taiwanese actress) and was surprised that I could read the whole tweet without using a pop-up dictionary. It had been months since I looked at any Chinese characters. I barely used flashcards/Anki in studying the characters, so I think more exposure and copying down characters will help me a lot. I won't be getting in any language learning until December 19 when my finals are over. The first thing I'll be doing is marathoning the episodes of Birth of a Beauty that I'm behind on. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4350 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 813 of 844 07 December 2014 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | ||
I remember hearing prof. Krashen quoting a study, estimating one needs to read around one million words, to learn a thousand. I'm not sure if the study mentioned the level of the learner or content. 1kk words/365,25 days gives ~2738 words a day. Allegedly average native English speaker's reading speed is around 150-250 WPM. That means roughly 14 minutes of reading a day. Not sure what's the average other languages' native speakers' reading speed though. Also, not sure what's your level, but getting to that kind of reading speed requires practice. For example, last time I checked my reading speed in Chinese, it was closer to 50 WPM. Which means getting through those ~2738 words daily, would take closer to 55 minutes at first. On the other hand, to "learn" 1k words a year, you'd need to learn 2,74 words a day on average. Which in Anki, can take as little as 4 minutes (including reviews). TL;DR Perhaps consider doing both? They'll make each other more effective. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| yuhakko Tetraglot Senior Member FranceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4633 days ago 414 posts - 582 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishB2, EnglishC2, Spanish, Japanese Studies: Korean, Norwegian, Mandarin | Message 814 of 844 08 December 2014 at 12:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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Belated congrats on the job offer!
Related to a possible method, I guess what Ezy Rider porposed would be the best. A mixture of both will make them more effective. But if you're really lackig time, I think the best would be putting reading first and doing a bit of Anki to complement. Not adding too many words too often. Then whenever you get some extra-time, do some different activity to keep it interesting ;) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4869 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 815 of 844 08 December 2014 at 8:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yes, in my experience, supplementing reading with Anki seems to work best (or in the beginner stages
supplementing Anki with reading). Recently I've been doing both again and while words I study through Anki and then see in context stick very well, a lot of the words I mainly saw through Anki reviews just fade away after a while. It depends whether you use word or sentence cards, of course, but the cintext provided through reading is truly invaluable and Anki can hardly make up for it. I find that it helps greatly with vocabacqusition to read books from a similar subject area - that way you meet many of those new words again and again until you know them well enough not to forget them even if you no longer frequently see them. Anyway, I'm looking forward to your experiences wuth studying while working full-time. It's exciting that yuhakko, you and I seem to be making that transition at about the same time. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5650 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 816 of 844 11 December 2014 at 3:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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The thing with Anki is that it will feel like I'm doing a lot of formal studying. I
typically only get short-term benefits from Anki. Once the reviews start going out to several months, I usually forget the vocabulary. I may use it for languages in which I'm still at a beginner level, but after that, it loses its effectiveness for me. Plus, reading a lot and looking up the words seems to be a much better options for me, as I'll still have to study my whole working career anyway. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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