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| Raistlin Majere Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Spain uciprotour-cycling.c Joined 7157 days ago 455 posts - 424 votes  7 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Catalan*, FrenchA1, Italian, German Studies: Swedish | Message 33 of 71 16 May 2005 at 2:17pm | IP Logged |
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Look at this:
http://spanish.allinfo-about.com/pronunciation/pr-r.html Probably the best way to learn it is to practice, but it's worth looking at it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Viktoria Newbie United States Joined 7137 days ago 13 posts - 13 votes | Message 34 of 71 16 May 2005 at 7:17pm | IP Logged |
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I lived in California from age 5-10, and somehow learned to trill my R's from my Mexican and Spaniard neighbor playmates. But in college the teacher taught the other students who couldn't trill to say "Patoski" over and over very quickly, and by the end of the semester nearly everyone could trill.
I finally used that approach with my children (only I used "Padoski" instead of "Patoski"). They learned very quickly, as did my mother who tried all her life to trill. Might give it a whirl. BTW, I know plenty of English (American) kids who cannot pronounce the English R. They come out "W". Sounds like other countries have some equivilent of the R difficulty. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| evan Diglot Newbie United States evanosborn.tripod.co Joined 7173 days ago 20 posts - 20 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 35 of 71 16 May 2005 at 7:59pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks Raistlin Majere for this link! As a native English speaker I've struggled with trying to learn to roll my Rs on my own with limited success. After following the tips on the site I think I finally got it!
For me it helped to realize that the tip of the tongue should be curled upward. The funny thing is that in the process to get the Spanish R I've learned practically every other type of rolled R from the back of the throat to the middle! So I'm ready for other languages. Also, it seems like pronouncing the Rs correctly helps me pronounce my As a little better too. Basically pronounce things towards the front of my mouth rather the middle back as I'm accustomed. I guess "technical" help works if you can't get it on your own. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7212 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 | Message 36 of 71 20 May 2005 at 4:21pm | IP Logged |
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Isn't the "tt" sound in words like "better", "butter", "cutter" (American pronunciation) trilled? I think it is, and you Americans utter it daily, so applying it to Spanish words shouldn't be such a big issue.
I think it is also the same sound as the Italian-Portuguese-Greek-Slavic-Scottish R. Edited by jradetzky on 20 May 2005 at 4:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Raistlin Majere Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Spain uciprotour-cycling.c Joined 7157 days ago 455 posts - 424 votes 7 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Catalan*, FrenchA1, Italian, German Studies: Swedish | Message 37 of 71 20 May 2005 at 4:23pm | IP Logged |
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No, I have both English and Spanish as mother tongues and it doesn't sound remotely the same to me.
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| jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7212 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 | Message 38 of 71 20 May 2005 at 4:28pm | IP Logged |
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I will dig into my "American Accent Training" course by Anne Cook when she argues that "tt" is the same as the Spanish R.
Now, if you're referring th the Spanish RR, that is something completely different. Edited by jradetzky on 20 May 2005 at 4:31pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Raistlin Majere Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Spain uciprotour-cycling.c Joined 7157 days ago 455 posts - 424 votes 7 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Catalan*, FrenchA1, Italian, German Studies: Swedish | Message 39 of 71 22 May 2005 at 4:22am | IP Logged |
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No, I'm referring to the "r" in words such as "cara", "portal", or "amor".
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| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7210 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 40 of 71 22 May 2005 at 6:09am | IP Logged |
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A Puerto Rican co-worker said they practiced trilling
rr for over an hour straight in grade school. She picked the rr sound as one that would often give away an American accent when speaking Spanish. A co-worker from Columbia suggested practicing the rr sound by making a trill sound, sort of like a cat purring. The American pronunciation of tt in butter frequently sounds a lot like d, whereas British has a more precise t sound. So, hearing many Americans saying 'budder' and 'butter' would be almost indistinguishable, whereas with British pronunciation the two would sound distinct. Edited by luke on 22 May 2005 at 6:23am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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