Martien Heptaglot Senior Member Netherlands martienvanwanrooij.n Joined 7110 days ago 134 posts - 148 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, Spanish, Turkish, Italian, French Studies: Portuguese, Serbo-Croatian, Latin, Swedish, Arabic (Written)
| Message 49 of 71 14 June 2005 at 12:17am | IP Logged |
braveb wrote:
How forgivable is it to not roll the R well? |
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It is not unforgivable but if your native language is English I think it would be a good idea to learn at least a "kind" of r that doesn't sound too English. When you have an English accent, people often will switch to English if you don't speak the language very well. I am Dutch and as I stated in another thread, I always can say that my English is not very good :)
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Martien Heptaglot Senior Member Netherlands martienvanwanrooij.n Joined 7110 days ago 134 posts - 148 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, Spanish, Turkish, Italian, French Studies: Portuguese, Serbo-Croatian, Latin, Swedish, Arabic (Written)
| Message 50 of 71 14 June 2005 at 12:21am | IP Logged |
braveb wrote:
What languages have the Rs rolled? I can think of Spanish, Japanese, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Arabic, Italian, Gaelic, and some dialects in the UK.
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I think a lot of languages have either a rolled, or a uvular R. I heared from my Dutch teacher (Dutch is my mother language) that in Dutch both variants are officially allowed. Actually the English R is not found in many languages. I only heared it from Albanian speaking peoples from Kosovo, as far as I know the single "R" sounds more or less like in English "carry" and the double "RR" as in Italian.
Edited by Martien on 14 June 2005 at 12:22am
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Sir Nigel Senior Member United States Joined 7109 days ago 1126 posts - 1102 votes 2 sounds
| Message 51 of 71 15 June 2005 at 5:18pm | IP Logged |
I never learned to roll r's until I studied Spanish. I remember very little difficulty. My problem now is more not mixing the French r sound and the Spanish one when I switch languages. Sometimes I say something really funny sounding when this happens.
The other day at Russian class I was trying to assist another person to roll their r. The best I could do was tell then to make a "grrr" sound while sticking their tongue toward the upper end of their mouth. It actually worked for them.
Edited by Sir Nigel on 15 June 2005 at 5:19pm
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jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7212 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1
| Message 52 of 71 15 June 2005 at 5:21pm | IP Logged |
Betty bought a bit of butter.
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braveb Senior Member United States languageprograms.blo Joined 7202 days ago 264 posts - 263 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French
| Message 53 of 71 18 June 2005 at 6:45pm | IP Logged |
I remember reading an article that Lenin couldn't roll his Rs. Anyone know about this?
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Ronan Newbie France Joined 7095 days ago 5 posts - 10 votes
| Message 54 of 71 30 June 2005 at 9:53pm | IP Logged |
What languages have the Rs rolled? I can think of Spanish, Japanese, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Arabic, Italian, Gaelic, and some dialects in the UK.
I think almost all languages have trilled r's except Hoch Deutsch, standard French, most dialects of Breton, most dialects of English. As far as I know, everywhere else they trill r's.
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victor Tetraglot Moderator United States Joined 7323 days ago 1098 posts - 1056 votes 6 sounds Speaks: Cantonese*, English, FrenchC1, Mandarin Studies: Spanish Personal Language Map
| Message 55 of 71 02 July 2005 at 8:29pm | IP Logged |
Japanese roll their r's? Can someone confirm this?
And ronan, I'm a bit confused. It seems to me that your "rolled R" and "trilled R" are the same thing. Could you explain the differences to me?
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jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7212 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1
| Message 56 of 71 05 July 2005 at 11:48am | IP Logged |
victor wrote:
Japanese roll their r's? Can someone confirm this?
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I will quote Anne Cook in "American Accent Training":
In the sentence "Betty Bought a Bit of Better Butter", all of the Ts are in a weak positions, to they all sound like soft Ds. Repeat the sentence slowly, word by word: [Beddy...badə...bidə...bedder...budder]. Feel the tip of your tongue flick across that area behind your top teeth.
If you speak any language-such as Spanish, Japanese, Hindi, Italian, or Dutch, among others-where your R touches the teeth, you are in luck with the American T. Just fix the association in your mind so that when you see a middle position T, you automatically give it your native R sound. Say, Beri bara bira...with your native accent. (Not if you are French, German, or Chinese!)
Taken from:
Cook, Ann
American Accent Training
Barron's 2002
ISBN 0764114298
Edited by jradetzky on 05 July 2005 at 11:49am
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