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zenmonkey
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Message 33 of 47

18 February 2012 at 10:58pm | IP Logged

Andrew C wrote:

This is the alif: ٱ You can get it in MS Word by typing 0671 + Alt +X. Unfortunately it’s not on a standard keyboard.
However, it is much more common to write this as ا , i.e. a plain alif. If it’s elided in pronunciation, you omit vowels, but if the vowels are pronounced you add them, e.g. اُ , اِ
It’s a mistake to put a hamza on the alif of ال, though some text books (incorrectly) put it for individual words.

Thanks, I appreciate the help, because of your post I was able to find this:

Quote:

Alif waslah
ٱ
The waṣlah ⟨وصلة⟩, ʾalif waṣlah ⟨ألف وصلة⟩ or hamzat waṣl ⟨همزة وصل⟩ looks like a small letter ṣād on top of an ʾalif ⟨ٱ⟩ (also indicated by an ʾalif ⟨ا⟩ without a hamzah). It means that the ʾalif is not pronounced, e.g. ⟨بٱسم⟩.

It only occurs in the beginning of words (can occur after prepositions and the definite article). It is commonly found in imperative verbs, the perfective aspect of verb stems VII to X and their verbal nouns (maṣdar). The alif of the definite article is considered a waṣlah.

Edited by zenmonkey on 19 February 2012 at 6:40pm
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Message 34 of 47

19 February 2012 at 6:43pm | IP Logged

Arabic Grammar

This is, I think, going to be a place holder for my "green sheets", as Iversen would call them, in Arabic - the notes i take and format into a readable grammar lesson for myself.

Ah grammar, how I love you so... I hope this is right:

Pronoun, cases and possessive endings all in one

Edited by zenmonkey on 20 February 2012 at 12:16pm
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Message 35 of 47

19 February 2012 at 10:40pm | IP Logged

Yes, it's OK, except:

the accusative indefinite has an alif at the end: كتابًا
the -nii ending is not possessive ("my") but the object "me", attached to a verb, e.g. ضربني he hit me.
I would transliterate the ُ(dhamma) as "u" not "ou", as it is a short vowel, not long.
There are a couple of small typos: kitaabuhu, and the indefinite you didn't remove the ل at the top of the page.

Edited by Andrew C on 19 February 2012 at 10:41pm
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Message 36 of 47

20 February 2012 at 12:32am | IP Logged

Thanks, that is immensely helpful -- input like this is what makes this place great. I really appreciate it!

I've updated my document and now I understand why the alif is there.
The transliteration I was using was from Assimil but maybe I'm going to switch to 'á' for aa as I don't have 'ā' on my keyboard, and u instead of ou (ou in French is not long but more like 'put' in English: IPA 'u') but I think I'll drop ou because I often see just 'u' in transcription. It can be either from the IPA guide.

There is an IPA standard for arabic. Just a bit of a pain...

Edited by zenmonkey on 20 February 2012 at 12:42am
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Message 37 of 47

20 February 2012 at 1:13pm | IP Logged

Short note - just for reference. Will have a long drive today to do more.

Activity Completed

German
Assimil 92
Up to date with Anki

Arabic
Assimil 17 first pass and continued review of previous lessons
Anki
Grammar

Edited by zenmonkey on 20 February 2012 at 1:16pm
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Message 38 of 47

20 February 2012 at 2:59pm | IP Logged

Yes it's OK, except:

2nd person plural fem = كُنَّ and not تنّ
3rd person plural pronoun = "hum" , not "homa".
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Message 39 of 47

20 February 2012 at 3:32pm | IP Logged

Thanks again -- mistakes copied from http://arabic.desert-sky.net/g_pronouns.html
and pg 659 of Assimil. I dislike mistakes in sources!!

By the way, I just saw your site, very very very impressive. I'll sign up as soon as I'm a little more ahead -- it looks really well done.

Edited by zenmonkey on 20 February 2012 at 3:40pm
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Message 40 of 47

20 February 2012 at 9:05pm | IP Logged

I wonder if these are really "mistakes in sources" or just variations in how things are
pronounced or transliterated? I've never seen one consistent method, and Arabic language
forums often seem to devolve into endless arguments about small details. Maybe IPA is
standard, but that's unreadable for most of the general public.

But I like the "green sheet"! They really help, don't they? I think I've spent more
time doing these for Arabic than any other language I've tried.

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