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DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6161 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian
| Message 1 of 10 20 June 2012 at 3:48pm | IP Logged |
I often wondered what the actual differences were between the different levels in CEFR. What separates a B2 from a C1 ? The Cambridge ESOL have produced some research given examples from English.
From http://research.cambridgeesol.org/fitness-purpose/examples-s peaking-tests
Edited by DaraghM on 20 June 2012 at 3:49pm
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| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4869 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish
| Message 2 of 10 20 June 2012 at 5:38pm | IP Logged |
Oh my God, that was C1? Then I should immediately pass the CAE exam :D
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| Kyle Corrie Senior Member United States Joined 4839 days ago 175 posts - 464 votes
| Message 3 of 10 20 June 2012 at 10:44pm | IP Logged |
I would have preferred to have seen something along the lines of much more natural
conversation.
These interview types of dialogues used in order to gauge a person's language abilities
must have been extremely tension producing for those people being asked the questions and
to me don't accurately indicate the speaker's ability.
Take the Avid guy from the A2 video. He seemed so nice, but so extremely nervous. I
actually felt bad for him. Given different circumstances and under a more casual setting
I believe a lot of these people would have performed much better.
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| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5892 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin
| Message 4 of 10 21 June 2012 at 4:46pm | IP Logged |
That's exactly what I would expect, even the competence differences between candidates at the same level, and this should be no surprise, for they have certainly chosen good examples. Yes, I believe in teachers, I'm a teacher (unfortunatelly, not languages related) :-)))
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| Biscotti Triglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5140 days ago 29 posts - 48 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish
| Message 5 of 10 21 June 2012 at 7:30pm | IP Logged |
How similar are these to CEFR tests in other languages?
I'm feeling quite confident about my language levels based on the examples, assuming that
their English standard would be similar to the standard required in other language tests.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6607 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 6 of 10 21 June 2012 at 8:16pm | IP Logged |
If my Finnish exam had been like that I'd have passed C2.
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| Emme Triglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5357 days ago 980 posts - 1594 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German Studies: Russian, Swedish, French
| Message 7 of 10 21 June 2012 at 8:30pm | IP Logged |
We had a similar discussion here a couple of years ago, when we managed to find videos for a variety of languages: English, German, French, Spanish, Italian, Polish, Finnish, Dutch.
If you are interested, I would advise you to check out whether any of the links in the old thread are still working.
Good luck!
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| Haksaeng Senior Member Korea, South Joined 6208 days ago 166 posts - 250 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean, Arabic (Levantine)
| Message 8 of 10 26 June 2012 at 9:19pm | IP Logged |
That was actually quite sad. I felt terrible, especially for the lower level students, who were visibly uncomfortable and nervous. Even the more proficient students were obviously straining to find something interesting to say about the boring pictures. It was obvious at several points that the assignments/tasks/situation were actually inhibiting their speech. I think it's a shame and really makes me question language instruction and assessment. I'm sure it's very difficult to assess fluency, but this seems quite inhumane and icy.
I've actually been thinking lately about going into ESL, mostly because learning another language is so satisfying to me and I would love to be able to help other adults acquire English, but these videos are so discouraging. I would never want to be a part of putting another person into that kind of humiliating position.
There must be better, more cooperative ways of helping other people acquire a language. I have taken several language courses and though I benefited from them overall, I have also found myself in very uncomfortable situations, feeling quite stupid and idiotic, forced to talk about nothing, so I empathized with the students in these videos.
edited to add: Thanks DaraghM for posting; though I had a negative reaction, I appreciate seeing these clips and found them really interesting and illuminating!
Edited by Haksaeng on 26 June 2012 at 9:26pm
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