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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5055 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 65 of 297 27 August 2014 at 7:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Serbo-Croatian.
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5333 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 66 of 297 27 August 2014 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
Congratulations! What were your main challenges in learning that? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5055 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 67 of 297 28 August 2014 at 12:17am | IP Logged | |||||
Grammar, especially word order. Unlike russian, it has something similar to Romance languages, where there are auxiliary verbs and unstressed pronouns which must be put in the correct order. For example, дао сам му нешта - I gave him something. The problem here that I was understood even with wrong grammar. I was in Montenegro. The hosts were very friendly and liked talking to me but dind't know Russian, which was good of course. By the end I could hold a conversation with them about everything. Of course I had to study formal grammar more and read more (I did that but not enough). Edited by Марк on 28 August 2014 at 12:26am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6702 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 68 of 297 28 August 2014 at 11:51am | IP Logged | |||||
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I also find it unsettling that Serbian and Croatian use an auxiliary verb with 'the usual' adjectival-like active past participle which without any further ado is used as the past tense in Russian. But I got the first shock already with Polish, where they add a personal verbal ending to this form. At least the Serbs and Croats keep their auxiliary as a distinct word.
I also find it puzzling that the auxiliary is a form of "biti" (to be) rather than "imati" (to have) - in for instance Spanish and Portugues the only auxiliary used isn't one of their 'to be' verbs, but a 'to have' verb. But I have tried to hammer this difference into my head by using hyperliteral translations with a past tense instead of the participle (not "I am done that", but "I am did that"). And the reason that this works is that I have internalized the Russian kind of past tense without an auxiliary. I wonder what happens the day I attack Bu(l)garian. Edited by Iversen on 28 August 2014 at 11:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5333 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 69 of 297 28 August 2014 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
Knowing you, you will do just great :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5055 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 70 of 297 28 August 2014 at 1:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Historically the l-forms (like делал) are past ACTIVE participles (like делавший in modern Russian) that's why they are used with the verb "to be". The old meaning is still seen in Russian adjectives like былой, бывалый, талый, горелый, палый, усталый (a synonim of уставший), устарелый (устаревший). So устал is a short form of усталый. Я устал is like English I'm tired in fact)))
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| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6141 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 71 of 297 28 August 2014 at 6:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Cristina, I just wanted to chime in to say how much I've been enjoying reading about your time in Ukraine and how happy I am to see you making such great progress in Russian! You're an inspiration, as always!
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5333 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 72 of 297 28 August 2014 at 6:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
Thank you! Long time no see! I hope to hear soon what you have been up to lately:-) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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