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| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4251 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes  Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 9 of 23 10 March 2014 at 6:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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Lombard and Lombardic are two different languages, Lombard being a Romance language and Lombardic being an extinct Germanic language. One is not the ancestor of other, but they were quite likely in tight contacts and thus started getting similar features.
The language sample is quite obviously from a Romance language though. Edited by Henkkles on 10 March 2014 at 6:18pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| YnEoS Senior Member United States Joined 4252 days ago 472 posts - 893 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Russian, Cantonese, Japanese, French, Hungarian, Czech, Swedish, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish | Message 10 of 23 10 March 2014 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Personally I don't like to think of myself collecting a certain number of languages, and the thought of having learned a language and needing to maintain it makes me cringe a bit.
For me it's more a matter of how do I want to use a language, and what chunk of my life do I want to give to using that language. I've been learning English for all 24 years of my life so far, and there are still certain books I'm interested in that require me to use a dictionary, and for every new circle of friends I make I develop new idioms of speech and inside jokes that connects me with those people in a way different from other English speakers. I never expect to see this come to an end. I've been learning French for about a year now, and I'm able to access French media I'm interested in with some help from a dictionary and English translations. I hope to enjoy French books, films, and music for the rest of my life, and hopefully one day have some enjoyable friendships that take place in the French language. I assume my abilities in French and reliance on dictionaries will rise and fall to match how I use the language at any given time. Perhaps one day I will try to learn a much Breton as I need to appreciate Jean Epstein's Breton films in their original language. If I have no other needs for the language I will say farewell to it, and if I ever want to use it again, well I'll have a bit of a head start. So I don't concern myself too much with how many I'll be able to learn or how long it will take, or what level I'll reach. Thanks to this community and the advice of other successful learners, I've learned some fun and efficient ways of figuring out how languages work and how to begin speaking and understanding them myself. And I assume I will keep using them for the rest of my life to match whatever new goals or interests I develop. Edited by YnEoS on 10 March 2014 at 7:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4045 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 11 of 23 10 March 2014 at 7:02pm | IP Logged | ||
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@tarvos, @henklles, fair enough, most probably I'm simply wrong. I prefer to close the discussion here because it is
off topic and I apologise to Cristina for that. Anyway, if someone is interested in learning something about milanese dialect and previously knows Italian --> http://www.milanofree.it/milano/dialetto/dialetto_milanese.h tml (EDIT: I was actually wrong about the wikipedia classification, because it was in the website I linked I read it's a celtic language: http://www.milanofree.it/milano/dialetto/grammatica_milanese .html It states: "Il Milanese è una lingua celtica. Lingua e non dialetto, in quanto possiede una nutrita grammatica codificata e una letteratura che non ha nulla da invidiare alle altre lingue. Ci sono, al contrario della lingua toscana 12 vocali con molteplici pronunce e molteplici significati." anyway, if someone is interested in this argument we'd better create a specific thread.) Edited by tristano on 10 March 2014 at 7:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5764 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 12 of 23 10 March 2014 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think that's the difference between dream, ambition, and goal.
I dream of speaking a dozen languages very well. (Or more.) My ambition is to speak the languages I am currently learning at a high degree of proficency. My goal is to learn these languages well enough that I can use them in most situations, even novel ones, without having to rely too much on people's help in dumbing down their language for me and guessing at what I might mean this time. When I started out learning languages on my own - or rather before that - I had dreams but no goals. (I still have dreams, but I know which ones are unrealistic, and won't likely turn into goals. There are other dreams that might yet turn into something else, depending on what life gives me to work with.) Oh, and I would think, if you are diligent (which I am not) and not proven to be extremely talented or extremely untalented, and you also have other obligations - maybe 3-5 years to learn a language and then not forget it? At a level at which you can conduct your daily life - personal and professional - in the language with relative ease. Less with full-time immersion, but that's where obligations come into play. Edited by Bao on 10 March 2014 at 7:06pm 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7203 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 13 of 23 10 March 2014 at 7:47pm | IP Logged | ||
The Impossible Dream With a nod of course to Don Quixote de La Mancha ... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6437 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 14 of 23 10 March 2014 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | ||
It's reasonable to call Milanese a language rather than a dialect, but it's unquestionably a Romance language, not Celtic. To quote wikipedia, "Like all dialects of Western Lombard, Milanese is a Western Romance language, related to French, Romansh, and to other Gallo-Italian languages." Compare the word roots on the page you linked to with any of the Celtic languages, and you'll find they're much closer to Italian; the claim that it's Celtic is simply incorrect, and perhaps born from a desire to underline how distinct it is from Italian. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7203 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 15 of 23 10 March 2014 at 8:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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Spanish for a first time language learner B1/B2 could probably be strong C1 with a few months of immersion.
Many hundreds of hours of FSI Basic Spanish and lots and lots of other courses and experiences and reading. Probably a few thousand hours total. Some of my travails are accounted ... Confidence crisis leads to review 30 minute lesson in Love 8 weeks to learn Spanish vocabulary Comprehensive FSI Spanish Review Diversion into Programmatic Spanish Medio año de estudios libres en español Un año de estudios libres en español 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4306 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 16 of 23 11 March 2014 at 9:30am | IP Logged | ||
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Interesting thread, with insightful contributions. Only, can anyone here with three or
more second languages have a go at calculating roughly how many hours were spent on reaching the advanced levels? Alexander Arguelles hinted that he would eventually present the data he kept on the precise hours he spent learning different languages, but never did. As mentioned before, and following the example of Deka Glossai from this forum and YouTube, I like the idea of logging the hours and I find it comforting to consider an objective number rather than the bare facts of how many years elapsed while this or that person reached the advanced levels. Of course, this may not be an easy thing to quantify for many reasons. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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