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Stolan Senior Member United States Joined 4030 days ago 274 posts - 368 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Thai, Lowland Scots Studies: Arabic (classical), Cantonese
| Message 17 of 21 25 March 2015 at 3:00am | IP Logged |
I repeat, do we include derivation?
Spanish has over a dozen ways to form diminutives which are not always too mechanical,
but German, having unpredictable plurals compared to Spanish's -s, just has 2 productive
ones:-chen and less frequently -lein which are mechanical. Learning vocabulary in this
one area is more irregular in Spanish.
Edited by Stolan on 25 March 2015 at 3:00am
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| Ruan Diglot Groupie BrazilRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6179 days ago 95 posts - 101 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English
| Message 18 of 21 23 August 2015 at 11:13pm | IP Logged |
Dtmon wrote:
The idea of "regular" languages always interested me. When I say regular I mean languages with high amounts of
patterns that rarely have exceptions. Languages like
Esperanto or Turkish. Besides these two what are some others? |
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If you're interested in conlangs, then Lojban and Toki Pona would be the answer.
Pidgins and creoles tend to be more regular than languages with a long story of isolation, spoken mostly by monolingual
populations. So I would certainly investigate Haitian Creole and Jamaican Patois.
Edited by Ruan on 23 August 2015 at 11:18pm
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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4666 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali
| Message 19 of 21 23 August 2015 at 11:47pm | IP Logged |
Mandarin is pretty regular ;)
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| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6059 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical)
| Message 20 of 21 24 August 2015 at 5:15pm | IP Logged |
Ari wrote:
*Surpresses the instinct to yell "Chinese is not a language"* |
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That made me smile, but we should be able to acknowledge the common usage, so you should suppress it. Look at "Spanish", as "Castilian" is commonly called.
Ari wrote:
I think the concept of "regular" vs. "irregular" is a bit eurocentric, or at least based heavily on Standard Average European. |
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I'm with you once again, but that's inevitable.
thul� wrote:
Arabic is a reasonably regular language. There are no irregular verbs per se. Every verb fits a very clear pattern. I would say it is a rule based language, if you know all the rules you can't make mistakes. As opposed to a language like English, even if there are rules, there are so many exceptions in the end there is a lot of things you need to learn by heart if you want to be proficient. |
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I'd say the problem is knowing all the rules. I've studied Arabic to a point where my teacher was fine-tuning grammar rules that are exceptions to other grammar rules. Truth be told, I've amazing notes regarding aspects no Arabic speaker uses on a day-to-day basis. Really literary stuff. (*)
Some sacred languages have had contributions by very gifted grammarians. Arabic and Sanskrit are two such examples. From these grammarians' point of view, their languages are regular. The problem is that they coded many, many rules (sometimes in the thousands). If you know Sanskrit's almost 4,000 rules, you'll be able to tackle any text, any difficulty. But would you call that "regular"? Or would you say they just incorporated exceptions and called them rules?
(*) Most of it has fallen by the wayside, I must confess. But I still have the notes.
Edit: 1,000 votes. Thanks. :)
Edited by Luso on 24 August 2015 at 7:34pm
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| tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5864 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish
| Message 21 of 21 24 August 2015 at 7:01pm | IP Logged |
Dutch is very regular, especially compared to English. Almost all verb infinitives end in
'en'and there are not many irregular verbs. Pronunciation (based on spelling) is especially
regular. Grammar rules are quite regular but relatively complex.
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