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| Radian Diglot Newbie BrazilRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 3494 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English | Message 1 of 9 12 May 2015 at 8:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hello community I am trying to learn Japanese, I did have Japanese lessons before thereby I have a very
basic understanding, would say I am at least A2. I am already on my twelveth day on language learning, and I have made progress in memorizing the two systems of Japanese alphabet (Hiragana and Katakana). However, I am having hard time to categorize, and how should I develop in learning an oriental language. I have a lot of questions and hesitation about the language, and still struggling which is the most efficient way of me to learn the language. Categories I divided into: - Kanji - Grammar - Reading - New words Should I start learning Kanji at this early stage? Or should I get used to the grammar? I know that the Japanese's Grammar is not similar to English nor Portuguese's grammar. Here is my basic setup for my 90 days of studying: Day 1-10 - Learn Katakana/Hiragana Day 11-30 - Learn new words (32 per day) - Learn grammar Day 31-40 - Basic conversation with native speakers - Learn new words (20 per day) - Learn grammar Day 41-60 - Learn new words (15 per day) - Listening to music - Learn grammar Day 61-70 - Creating conversation topics and able to express in basic manners - Watching TV Shows - Learn new words (10 per day) - Learn Grammar Day 71-90 - Attempt to reach B1/C2 level - Learn grammar - Watching TV Shows/ Listen music - Learn new words (10 per day) - Communicate native speaker Still didn't include Kanji learning, because I am not sure when should I learn. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4534 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes  Studies: German | Message 2 of 9 12 May 2015 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
I haven't attempted to learn Japanese, but I think getting to C2 in 90 days would be ambitious. :) 6 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| chaotic_thought Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 3543 days ago 129 posts - 274 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Dutch, French | Message 3 of 9 12 May 2015 at 10:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Your plan seems to be a little "sequential" in nature. Maybe that works for you, but I would recommend splitting it up. For example, the FSI Japanese Headstart course has about 9 1/2 hours of audio. You could listen to it entirely in one day if you wanted, but I think this would be quite boring and not too effective. Instead, split up whatever learning material you have into manageable 30-min chunks. Just do one chunk per day, and use the rest of your daily study time to look at other materials and resources.
Free Resources Jim Breen's Japanese Page | http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/japanese.html Huge list of online resources for learning Japanese. FSI Japanese | http://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/japanese.html List of free, legal audiobooks sites | http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=6386&PN=1 The Japanese Page | http://thejapanesepage.com/ 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5983 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 4 of 9 12 May 2015 at 10:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Welcome to the forum Radian and good luck with your Japanese.
pastrickwilken is right, C2 in 90 days would be very ambitious. Actually, starting from a very basic level like yours, B1 would also be very ambitious, but I can't say it wouldn't be possible. It took me 3 years to get from complete beginner to something equivalent to B1. You asked specifically about kanji, so I shall offer you my opinion, for what it's worth: If you really are aiming for B1+ level Japanese, you will need to learn kanji, and, assuming you are already comfortable with kana, it is never too soon to start. Some learners advocate using a system like Heisig to memorise hundreds of kanji and link them to English keywords, before then learning to attach them to real Japanese vocabulary. I did not use Heisig, but a forum search should bring up plenty of information about people who have used it. Personally, I took more of a varied approach where I alternated between using specific kanji textbook courses (Basic Kanji Book and then later Kanji in Context) and just learning kanji at the same time as learning vocabulary with the assistance of the Anki SRS system. Whichever approach you decide to take, it is worth just doing a little bit of research to start with to find out the background of how kanji work. Also, since you are concerned with efficiency, bear in mind that kanji are intimately tied up with vocabulary in Japanese, so I think it would be worthwhile to consider kanji as one part of your vocabulary strategy. As for the grammar, it doesn't contain many of the normal headaches for learners of European languages (no noun genders, definite/indefinite articles and very few irregular verbs to worry about). It is pretty logical and regular, but it is different and in that sense, you are right, it takes time to get used to. But really you don't need to take any different approach to Japanese grammar as you would with any other language. It's just a case of practice and exposure using whichever tools or materials you prefer. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5309 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 5 of 9 13 May 2015 at 5:18am | IP Logged | |||||
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Hi Radian,
Welcome to the forum! The levels go: A1 (N5) > A2 (N4) > B1 (N3) > B2 (N2) > C1 (N1) I think there were about 650 words in each of the N5 and N4 official word lists, and about 1850 in each of N3 and N4. If you're learning to write only recently, you'll probably have to learn those words starting from A1/N5. That'd be 5000 words, and 56 words per day over 90 days. I've learned the first 2 levels myself and found the words useful; they do appear everywhere in real life, especially the verbs. The words in katakana less so, but those are easy to remember anyway, most of them being just transliterations from English. Or you can simply skip them for the time being, as they're often guessable anyway. N5-N4 grammar is easy to understand, easy to remember, and goes a long way. You'll be able to express a lot of things with them. So, do pay attention to them. N3-N2 grammar, on the other hand, is of a completely different format, and was super hard for me to memorise (this could be just me, though). You will need to use example sentences to learn it, they aren't things you can just cram definitions of, or things you can explain in Portuguese. So, you'll need to have a pretty good grasp of kanji, vocabulary and sentence-reading before you can start to learn N3-N2 grammar. Good luck! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sterogyl Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4368 days ago 152 posts - 263 votes Studies: German*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Japanese, Norwegian | Message 6 of 9 15 May 2015 at 8:39am | IP Logged | |||||
I would even say that this is a bit optimistic. It seems to me that the N1 is more or less equivalent to B2 - after all, it only assesses your passive comprehension, plus it's a multiple choice test. And not too hard from a objective point of view, grammar- and vocabulary-wise. It nevertheless takes a looong time to get to this level as a European! (I have passed the JLPT N2 years ago and I'm not even close to C1 or even B2 in Japanese...) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4350 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 7 of 9 15 May 2015 at 9:04am | IP Logged | |||||
I second that. Also, you most likely won't need to be able to handwrite the Kanji. If you can read them, typing shouldn't be much of a problem. Learning to write won't make you remember them better either. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5983 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 8 of 9 15 May 2015 at 9:42am | IP Logged | |||||
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Actually I think N2 is comparable to B2, but for comprehension only, due to the limitations of the test.
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