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Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5014 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian
| Message 9 of 11 13 June 2015 at 5:41pm | IP Logged |
Thanks for the links. I totally believe a research might settle on doing both as the ideal, but I am usually the separate learner. Why:
1.The stronger skill (once you have a stronger skill) becomes a crutch and you are not forced enough to work on the weaker one.
Whether or not I choose to do an activity intensively with dictionary or extensively, that is not dependent on the combination, so I don't think vocabulary learning to be the problem. What I find worse is not getting used more and more to the form of the language you are having more trouble with.
2.A very subjective and perhaps stupid reason: I find it extremely unpleasant to be held back in reading by the slower audio. I can enjoy an audiobook, I heard a few awesome ones with pleasant voices and pace but when I read a book, I want to devour the content fast, to know what happens next, and that's what keeps my brain improving in a new language as well. And I've always loved the fact I forget I am reading for a while and just dive into the story. I think that's what reading is for, it's great for the immersion, and I just hate being reminded by the audio that I am just reading while sitting on my bed, in my room, in Prague, on Earth, in 2015.
3.You don't need any audio to make you skip words and just learn from context. If extensive reading is your chosen method, you can do so yourself.
4.Practical aspects. I use input not only at home during calm study sessions. I can either read or listen when commuting, trying both at once would probably get me killed. I use audio (or video) during activities like washing the dishes, I read when I am tired of noise. Using audio and book separately, even when I have got both, allows me to better fit my learning into my lifee and therefore spend more time on it.
So, if I were you, I would use audiobooks in car or other situations you like and need your hands free for. And read others (or the same ones before/after) on your kindle with or without looking up words. No compromise needed.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 10 of 11 13 June 2015 at 7:48pm | IP Logged |
Cavesa wrote:
You don't need any audio to make you skip words and just learn from context. If extensive reading is your chosen method, you can do so yourself. |
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It's not always that easy, especially if you're not used to reading in the language. An audiobook can be a great nudge to keep going.
I agree that it only makes sense if your reading speed is slower than the audio, or if your listening is weak but you would understand the same text in writing. But both situations are pretty common.
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| James29 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5380 days ago 1265 posts - 2113 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French
| Message 11 of 11 13 June 2015 at 8:24pm | IP Logged |
These are great responses and quite interesting. The thread linked by Serpent is a wonderful thread and so is that research paper referenced earlier.
As always, the answer is "it depends", but, for me, it seems as though reading without audio is going to be the way to go. I'll try to arrange things so I can listen to audio books separately.
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