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| ExtraLean Triglot Senior Member France languagelearners.myf Joined 5996 days ago 897 posts - 880 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: German | Message 137 of 177 17 July 2009 at 11:38am | IP Logged | ||
*quoted because I went over to a new page...* My two centimes: N° 1. Ingrained errors are always a problem, I think that the best thing is that you do recognise them, and the only way to get it out is just to continually try to improve. I struggle to think of a wrong pronounciation of 'de' but the three words you listed are easy enough, just make the concious attempt that you are. It will come with time. N° 2. This happens, again I can't think of any other way of improving other than using your speaking part of the brain. Speak speak and speak...not very helpful I know but voilà. N° 3. Free online placement exams. Get a score (A2/B1/B2) etc. subtract one level for dodgy speaking skills and assume you're around there. Keep up the good work Daragh, sorry I can't be of more help. Thom. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6153 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 138 of 177 24 July 2009 at 3:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hungarian
I finally managed to learn the dialogue of Unit 6, and master the vocabulary. The vocabulary is useful and includes all the days of the week, and a few other items. The audio of the FSI Hungarian course is structured slightly differently to the other FSI courses. The Spanish and French courses introduce words relevant to each sentence, but don't necessarily pronounce them individually. The FSI Hungarian course does, and also introduces extra vocabulary that's not part of the dialogue. When learning vocabulary, I'm not a fan of mnemonics, but I discovered it does have some uses. As I've been listening to the all Hungarian audio without necessarily looking at the text, I used a couple of mnemonics to ensure I matched each word with its meaning. The mnemonics I use are to distinguish the words, and not as a clue to pronunciation. E.g. For the dates of the week, I did the following, Hétfő - Monday (sounds a tiny bit like hateful, and everyone hates Mondays) Kedd - Tuesday (doesn't really sound like cod, but I imagined a cod been served on a pancake on pancake Tuesday) Szerda - Wednesday (I used a Viking in my head, speaking in a strong Dublin accent, and saying "Sear that" to his god Woden). Csütörtök - Thursday (sounds a tiny bit like "tutor took" so I imagined the tutor took off Thursday) Péntek- Friday (I linked this two ways, associating Pentecost with Good Friday, and also the Greek Pente (πέντε) linking five and the fifth day of the week.) The mnemonics were handy triggers as soon as I heard the word. It also made learning the dialogue a lot easier. Edited by DaraghM on 24 July 2009 at 3:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6153 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 139 of 177 24 July 2009 at 4:16pm | IP Logged | ||
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Russian
I've found myself lately using a lot of L-R in my studies, and Russian is no exception. However, it is a hell of a lot more difficult in Russian compared to the Romance languages. Thanks to Turaisiawase, I got a copy of a trilingual copy of Le Petit Prince, and decided to give the Russian a go. Even though I know the novel reasonably well, I found the L-R part very difficult. I could link the nouns such as барашка-sheep, рисунок-drawing, among others, and some imperatives such as draw me-нарисуй мне, but I found word order and other constructions quite tricky. I think I need to vastly improve my basic Russian, before returning to this method. My copy of Modern Russian 1 finally arrived. I like the fact this book has no fluffy exercises, and concentrates mainly on spoken Russian. However, the introduction to the hand writing system in Unit 2 is quite thorough. The biggest drawback with the course is the date of the material, and the fact it was written at the height of the cold war. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| SII Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5794 days ago 184 posts - 194 votes Speaks: Russian* Studies: English | Message 140 of 177 24 July 2009 at 4:44pm | IP Logged | ||
This isn't fully correct. The noun "sheep" may be translatd to Russian as "овца" (she-sheep) and "баран" (he-sheep). "Барашек" is he-lamb (sheep's child), "барашка" is genetive singular, not nominative. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6153 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 141 of 177 24 July 2009 at 5:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks again SSI. Your answer has further highlighted the challenges using L-R to learn Russian. The full line from Маленький принц is,
Пожалуйста... нарисуй мне барашка If I had to guess from context, I would've thought that барашка was in the dative case, or the accusative, but that's because I don't know the case endings properly. Why is the genetive singular used in this instance ? Edited by DaraghM on 24 July 2009 at 5:10pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| SII Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5794 days ago 184 posts - 194 votes Speaks: Russian* Studies: English | Message 142 of 177 24 July 2009 at 9:02pm | IP Logged | ||
This is my inaccuracy. "Барашка" is genetive or accusative singular. In this sentence the word in accusative. Full table of declencion for this word is: Sing. Plur. Nom. барашек барашки Gen. барашка барашков Dat. барашку барашкам Acc. барашка барашков Inst. барашком барашками Prep. барашке барашках 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Katie Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6720 days ago 495 posts - 599 votes Speaks: English*, Hungarian Studies: French, German | Message 144 of 177 25 July 2009 at 12:37am | IP Logged | ||
Hi DaraghM! If I had the guts to, I'd record the song that I learnt to learn the days of the week :P It's the song the children learn at low grade school. I never thought I'd find myself learning childrens songs and enjoying them, but they seriously work - even for adults! And I have the added bonus that when I learn them, I can sing them to my friends' little ones to help them learn too :) But on another note, I've used a program called Unforgettable Languages that uses the same approach to learning vocab. In the early days, I did actually find this very helpful. It got me my basics and I still remember things like a canal full of spoons (kanál) and a villa made of forks (villa) and a case of knives (kés). These days, I think it's too much work and I'd rather just SRS and use the words as much as possible! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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