|
 |
95% Fluency with 3000 Words Possible? | ||
Share with:
| ||
 Language Learning Forum : Learning Techniques, Methods & Strategies |  | |
| Mark88 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5614 days ago 15 posts - 21 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 17 of 67 11 May 2010 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I just got a copy for 47p (plus £2.75 postage.) ISBN: 0517262967. Thanks for drawing my attention to this, datsunking1! UK buyers search Amazon for this ISBN. Some more cheap copies available! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5946 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes  Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 18 of 67 11 May 2010 at 5:59pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
|
Oops... sorry... The bit of the URL from "ref=" onwards refers to how you reached the page. Affiliate links have "tag=" in them....
1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5946 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 19 of 67 11 May 2010 at 6:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
|
Oops... sorry... The bit of the URL from "ref=" onwards refers to how you reached the page. Affiliate links have "tag=" in them....
1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| datsunking1 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5520 days ago 1014 posts - 1533 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Russian, Dutch, French | Message 20 of 67 11 May 2010 at 6:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Anytime! I use this dictionary ALL THE TIME. You can have a very very high fluency with you just have this one dictionary. Probably near native with 20,000 words per language :D 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| brian91 Senior Member Ireland Joined 5379 days ago 335 posts - 437 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 21 of 67 11 May 2010 at 9:51pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Thanks, that looks great. I'll try to get it this summer after my exams. :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| datsunking1 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5520 days ago 1014 posts - 1533 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Russian, Dutch, French | Message 22 of 67 12 May 2010 at 3:58am | IP Logged | ||||||||
|
Brian- Good deal! :D Good luck on your exams... Mine are this week and next week...
Languages> School... :P But that book is quite compact, a little smaller than a Harry Potter book maybe (not the HUGE ones, the smaller one's like number 3 lol) It's the one thing I never forget. There are phrases and common idioms in there too. Don't forget your grammar guide to conjugate verbs and put things together properly! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Aineko Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 5383 days ago 238 posts - 442 votes Speaks: Serbian*, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin | Message 23 of 67 14 May 2010 at 9:38am | IP Logged | ||||||||
would it work if you do your method but other way round: take a monolingual dictionary of your native language , pick up words randomly and see for how many you are able to give correct translation? it wouldn't be perfectly accurate, of course, there are words in one language that are not present in the others and so on, but maybe it could give some estimation? just a thought... :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Huliganov Octoglot Senior Member Poland huliganov.tvRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5290 days ago 91 posts - 304 votes Speaks: English*, Polish, French, German, Russian, Spanish, Esperanto, Czech Studies: Romanian, Turkish, Mandarin, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 24 of 67 14 May 2010 at 9:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
OK, half way down this fascinating discussion I was about to quote Bolocchians 3 v 16 at you, but you've spotted your own mistake. I wanted to add to this discussion the point that the big problem with frequency dictionary analysis and word count - especially when comparing between languages or methods - is what does it mean? If we are talking about uninflected languages then the number of individual words is shorter. The original poster referred to Italian, and here it is a problem, because every single verb has umpteen forms, so is that one word or is that umpteen words? If you use a machine to collate the frequency, then "has", "have" and "had" will all show up as different words. Should it be three or one? In those cases where a noun has 12 separate declined forms in Czech or Polish, is that 12 words or one word? Or is it something in between, with the forms guessable out of usual paradigms being counted as the same, but the irregular parts being considered separate? And are words like "jack" or "rose" which have so many individual meanings counted as one word or as ten or so words? If a machine does it the count is objective, but again not true to the substance of the matter. If a human intervenes, then subjectivity enters the frame and the way one person collates it may have very different outputs to the way another person would do it. That's why I take statements like "80% of the words used are in 10,000 words" with a pinch of salt. Assuming the same rules for collation of word variation under headwords apply through the list, it is probably proper to parrot Pareto and say that 20% of the vocabulary gives 80% of the effect, but that is comparing relative numbers to relative numbers, which is probably wiser, and more likely to hold good when comparing different languages together, than comparing absolute numbers to relative numbers. Edited by Huliganov on 14 May 2010 at 9:13pm 11 persons have voted this message useful |
|  | 
Printable version
|
| Copyright 2024 FX Micheloud - All rights reserved No part of this website may be copied by any means without my written authorization. |
