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slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6610 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 25 of 55 26 July 2011 at 3:21pm | IP Logged |
tommus wrote:
FuroraCeltica wrote:
I agree strongly, repitition is the key |
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Sorry, I couldn't resist ;)
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Mere Repetition= learning languages
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDw2cabgM8
We have time, input and ouput. Is it possible to break this idea down even further? Is it possible to reduce all this to a simple idea?
Yes. The word is repetition. This is the key word.
Learning languages is a business of repetition. The best method is the method that keeps you repeating. You can repeat short sentences or whole books; you can repeat whole sitcoms or repeat them scene by scene. Your repetitions may be readings of scientific articles, pulp fiction or classical literature. You can use a global repetition approach or a specific approach. It doesn't matter. Don't pay any attention to people that claim that one certain method of repetition is the best.
The best method is the method that helps you keep making repetitions of learning tasks (listening, reading, speaking or writing) without the tasks feeling onerous or you feeling bored. The best teacher is the one who helps you make repetitions without you being aware of the work that goes into it. Remember that you are the most important factor in your learning. That's everything. It's that easy.
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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5163 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French
| Message 26 of 55 26 July 2011 at 3:45pm | IP Logged |
Nothing but Anki. It's simple, effective, quick, and, yeah, dare I say it, fun.
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6610 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 27 of 55 26 July 2011 at 5:45pm | IP Logged |
ScottScheule wrote:
Nothing but Anki. It's simple, effective, quick, and, yeah, dare I say it, fun. |
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Yes, I use Anki and Fullrecall, but is repetition as well.
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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5163 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French
| Message 28 of 55 26 July 2011 at 5:51pm | IP Logged |
I should also say that nearly all my Anki vocab cards have embedded audio from real speakers, taken from Forvo. That's to make sure the words get into my ears as well as my eyes.
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| chrisphillips71 Groupie United States Joined 5171 days ago 64 posts - 86 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 29 of 55 26 July 2011 at 6:02pm | IP Logged |
ScottScheule,
I am curious, do you have a quick way of embedding audio taken from Forvo or do you have
to download each file separately?
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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5163 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French
| Message 30 of 55 26 July 2011 at 7:25pm | IP Logged |
chrisphillips71 wrote:
ScottScheule,
I am curious, do you have a quick way of embedding audio taken from Forvo or do you have
to download each file separately?
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Separately. Let me know if you find a faster way.
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| chrisphillips71 Groupie United States Joined 5171 days ago 64 posts - 86 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 31 of 55 26 July 2011 at 9:56pm | IP Logged |
ScottScheule,
Are you aware that you can use the googletts app to add audio to each card automatically?
If not, send me a message and I will explain to you how to do it. It took me a while to
figure it out, though once I figured it out, it was very easy. While you only hear a
computer synthesized pronuniciation, the audio is pretty good and the process is much
easier than downloading each audio track.
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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6638 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 32 of 55 27 July 2011 at 3:53pm | IP Logged |
Iversen wrote:
...memorize Russian verbs as pairs: one imperfect
and one imperfect form.
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Niomi wrote:
Iversen, I had a quick question: when using this method for Russian, do you count an
imperfect/perfect pair as one word, or two? I mean if I had 7 rows like this:
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Somewhere in between. The Russian grammars see them as separate, though related words and so do I. But you will soon learn to anticipate one of the verbs from the other (typically the imperfect form from the perfect one as there are several prefective prefixes to choose from) so a pair of verbs will count as one hard and one easy word. And when you have many easy words in a group you can make the group bigger.
The same obviously applies to derivations. If you have both писать and писатель in a group then the second of these words will of course be easier than if you had chosen totally unrelated words. A propos, I find it useful to include such 'miniseries' of related words in my lists, and when I make lists directly from dictionaries in the target language then this happens almost automatically due to the alphabetical ordering. But not too many related words in one go: it becomes confusing rather than helpful.
slucido wrote:
Mere Repetition= learning languages |
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Mere repetition = a lamentable waste of your time
Spread-out repetition = an indispensable part of learning languages
Edited by Iversen on 27 July 2011 at 3:59pm
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