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beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4623 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian
| Message 41 of 45 27 February 2013 at 10:51am | IP Logged |
Iversen wrote:
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I believe the biggest compliment you can receive is if your chat-partner says nothing about your language skill and simply talks at a native speed and not 'dumbing down' any of the vocab. |
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But even at that stage you may still have an accent and make errors. I tend to avoid conversations in my weakest languages so when I finally start people normally fire happily away at their normal speed and with no obvious concessions. |
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But surely the best way to develop your conversational skills in a language is to start talking to people? I'm of the opinion that if you have enough of a grounding in a language to form basic sentences, just plunge in and use it.
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| garyb Triglot Senior Member ScotlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5208 days ago 1468 posts - 2413 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, French Studies: Spanish
| Message 42 of 45 27 February 2013 at 11:47am | IP Logged |
I've had my French described as "perfect" and my Italian as "fluent": both massive exaggerations for any definition of these words. I just accept that, while it's inaccurate and I shouldn't take it seriously, it's still encouragement that I'm doing something right.
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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6704 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 43 of 45 27 February 2013 at 4:43pm | IP Logged |
beano wrote:
Iversen wrote:
aspiringplyglot wrote:
I believe the biggest compliment you can receive is if your chat-partner says nothing about your language skill and simply talks at a native speed and not 'dumbing down' any of the vocab. |
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But even at that stage you may still have an accent and make errors. I tend to avoid conversations in my weakest languages so when I finally start people normally fire happily away at their normal speed and with no obvious concessions. |
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But surely the best way to develop your conversational skills in a language is to start talking to people? I'm of the opinion that if you have enough of a grounding in a language to form basic sentences, just plunge in and use it. |
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You may be right. Speaking before you really can do it properly is certainly a way of forcing you to dig deep into your memory and finding something to say, although you may find yourself using a few expressions again and again to survive.
But I just don't like to jump into activities without being absolutely sure that I can deal properly with them. I generally don't walk up to people and speak to them unless I have some purpose AND enough skills to understand any reasonable answer they might have. Some people have no qualms about that, or they succeed in suppressing them, and that's good for them. But it puts the other person in the awkward role of an unpaid teacher and it would put me in the role of a dumb annoying beast. At least thats how I see the situation.
So for me the stage I want to reach first is the ability to think more or less fluently (in the purely quantitative sense). And to get there I need not only a fair amount of knowledge, but also enough input to start the 'buzz' in my head which I have written about in another thread.
Edited by Iversen on 27 February 2013 at 4:45pm
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| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4702 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese
| Message 44 of 45 02 March 2013 at 9:15pm | IP Logged |
When I saw this thread I was hoping for a really unusual and interesting talk about native speaker's feedback could be "too much in detail" or "too direct" or even "too useful", which in turn could have this or that effect.. but this is just the good old "they praise too much" issue again. Hmm :/
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| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5227 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese
| Message 45 of 45 02 March 2013 at 9:58pm | IP Logged |
atama warui wrote:
[...] I was hoping for a really unusual and interesting talk about [...] Hmm :/ |
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Well, the title wording may not be perfect but you just got me intrigued how feedback --or anything, really-- can be "too useful". Maybe you could start a thread about that ;)
Edited by mrwarper on 02 March 2013 at 9:58pm
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