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| The-teacher Newbie Canada Joined 4469 days ago 17 posts - 21 votes Studies: English* | Message 1 of 6 17 October 2012 at 8:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hey all - recently I've become very interested in fsi french and am liking the drills so far - burning vocabulary
and sentence structure into my brain is actually good for me. So my question for you guys is: if all of fsi french is completed(24 units) what possible level could it potentially take a student? And secondly is material in the last few units of the course actually advanced or is it drilling a lot of basics right til the end? Thanks! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4888 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 2 of 6 17 October 2012 at 9:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As of Lesson 17 FSI is still introducing new concepts each lesson. From my notes,
there were sections on: - verbes du type 'prendre' - verbes pronominaux (verbs with two pronouns) ---- reflexive ---- non-reflexive ---- verbes pronominaux à sens passif - Using 'rien' and 'personne' - pronoms démonstratif (celle, celles, celui, ceux) (this was actually the most challenging section for me) - Le subjonctif (Lessons 17-22 focus on the subjunctive) It is definitely not drilling basics until the end! French seems to have a never- ending supply of grammar. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5531 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 3 of 6 17 October 2012 at 10:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I just flipped through the last several lessons of FSI French Basic. As far as I can tell, it covers most of the grammar you'll need up through B2. And what it covers, it covers exhaustively.
The audio speed seems to vary between the kinds of slow recordings you get on the DELF B1 exam and some faster clips that are closer to what you might see on the DELF B2. And unfortunately, some of the recordings are very noisy and distorted. By itself, FSI Basic probably isn't enough to reach B2. You might also want to read French books, practice your writing, work on your listening comprehension, and spend lots of time speaking to people in French.
I've got an 1,800-page book on English grammar. It has a 7-page bibliography in tiny print, listing many more specialist tomes—most of which appear to be overviews of specific topics, with large bibliographies of their own. And the terrifying thing is that native speakers of standard English obey nearly all the rules in the 1,800 page book without ever having been taught. (The only rules that schools usually teach are the differences between vernacular and standard dialects.) This is why reading and listening are so invaluable. With enough exposure and study, we start to absorb things that we've never been taught. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4888 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 4 of 6 17 October 2012 at 10:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
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My personal theory is that 'language' came first, and that the grammarians and linguists
came later and tried to find patterns and come up with rules to explain the chaos. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| The-teacher Newbie Canada Joined 4469 days ago 17 posts - 21 votes Studies: English* | Message 5 of 6 17 October 2012 at 10:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
Thanks Emk - as usual your posts are insightful and exactly the answer I was oping to gain:) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| pfn123 Senior Member Australia Joined 5082 days ago 171 posts - 291 votes Speaks: English* | Message 6 of 6 19 October 2012 at 1:49am | IP Logged | |||||
'Man lernt Grammatik aus der Sprache, nicht Sprache aus der Grammatik.' (One learns grammar from language, not language from grammar) Nicht wahr? I agree with you about the 'language came first', but not so much with the 'chaos.' Language is spoken structured beauty :D 1 person has voted this message useful |
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