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| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5667 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes  Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 9 of 14 23 October 2012 at 11:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's a fun one, since I knew about masculine and neuter, but not about rukojmí possibly being feminine. I couldn't find it in any of my grammars of dictionaries. I even looked online at my favourite resource of all http://prirucka.ujc.cas.cz and it only shows masculine and neuter. Thanks, then, for teaching me something. Can point me to anywhere that talks about rukojmí being feminine sometimes? I would like to learn more. Edited by Splog on 23 October 2012 at 11:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Majka Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic kofoholici.wordpress Joined 4655 days ago 307 posts - 755 votes Speaks: Czech*, German, English Studies: French Studies: Russian | Message 10 of 14 23 October 2012 at 11:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
You only need to look better: rukojmí, the part under the table or in part 1.1. here or even here :) In the list of common errors in typography there is an exacter definition: rukojmí rod muž. i stř. a při potřebě přesného vyjádření i ženský (v zajetí je držena ještě mladá rukojmí; vyděrači propustili zcela vyčerpanou rukojmí) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5667 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 11 of 14 24 October 2012 at 8:45am | IP Logged | |||||
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You only need to look better: rukojmí, the part under the table or in part 1.1. here or even here :) Haha - how could I be so blind? Thank you. Mind you, the "V praxi" prefix is a bit weird, since everything is "V praxi" isn't it? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| QiuJP Triglot Senior Member Singapore Joined 5853 days ago 428 posts - 597 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Czech, GermanB1, Russian, Japanese | Message 12 of 14 25 October 2012 at 6:32pm | IP Logged | |||||
Chung, do you know on how my knowledge of Russian can help in this aspect? I do notice that Russian and Czech have lesser common vocabulary, so there might be lesser instances where the same word will have the same gender in these languages. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 13 of 14 25 October 2012 at 8:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
Take the following hints with a grain of salt since my knowledge of Russian is limited to a bit of its structure and I could be thinking more about what I know for Ukrainian. 1) As noted above, přehláska (umlaut) meant that Old Czech's a and u in "soft" words shifted to e and i by Middle Czech. From what I can tell, the a and u of old are continued in the other Slavonic languages including Russian. Hint: if a Russian feminine noun ends in ца, it'll often correspond to some Czech cognate ending in ce. ulice ~ улица moje přítelkyně (N.B. more formal má for moje also exists) ~ моя подруга 2) As also noted above, Bohemians and Moravians often stopped pronouncing the soft -t of old (continued in something like Russian -ть) at the end of words. Not only do you see this in examples with -ost ~ -ость but also in most infinitives. budoucnost ~ будущность číst ~ читать psát ~ писать 3) Russian г regularly corresponds to Czech h in cognates. There was a sound change in the Middle Ages where the old sound (as continued more or less in Russian and most other Slavonic languages) started to be pronounced closer to "h" in "hotel" by Slavs living in a band stretching from Bohemia to Ukraine. hovno ~ говно pomáhat ~ помогать 4) There's a tendency in Colloquial Czech to form the past tense just as in Eastern Slavonic languages (i.e. combine the pronoun with the particple instead of combining conjugated auxillary verb "být" with the l-participle) Byl jsem doma (Standard Czech) Já byl doma (Colloquial Czech) Я был дома (Russian) 5) Unlike in Czech (but like Slovak), the Russian dative/locative for singular feminine nouns does not show the first Slavonic palatalization after the velars (g (h) / k). Příběh o dívce / holce (< dívka, holka) Сказка о девушке Moje přítelkyně byla v restauraci v Praze (< Praha) Моя девушка была в ресторане в Праге See also Comparison of Czech and Russian sentence structure and Comparison of Delimitative Verbs in Russian, Czech and Slavic There's also a textbook published by Slavica called "Czech through Russian" which introduces Czech to people who already know at least some Russian. An old edition of the book is selling for $4 before international shipping charges so perhaps you'd be interested in it. I've read some good things about the book but can't vouch for it. Notwithstanding what I've posted, I still think that you should "cheat" carefully and not latch onto similarities too hard or regularly think of a language in terms of another as I've noted here. In addition to becoming flummoxed by false friends, you don't want to import all of the Russian patterns onto Czech to the point of inadvertently often producing Russified Czech which could sound weird or just be ungrammatical to Czechs. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| QiuJP Triglot Senior Member Singapore Joined 5853 days ago 428 posts - 597 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Czech, GermanB1, Russian, Japanese | Message 14 of 14 26 October 2012 at 6:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thank you, Chung for this information, I will definitely look at the links and book you
mentioned in your post. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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