alang Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 7222 days ago 563 posts - 757 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish
| Message 1 of 15 18 February 2013 at 10:54am | IP Logged |
I just saw this a couple minutes ago. Hopefully, this will be a civilized discussion
about this important topic in Canada.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/new-language-law-sparks-english -rights-protest-in-quebec-
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I tried to link, but it is not working.
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beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4623 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian
| Message 2 of 15 18 February 2013 at 1:24pm | IP Logged |
If a French speaker from Quebec moved to an English-speaking part of Canada, he or she would be expected to learn or imporove their English and use the language in daily life.
The reverse should also be the case.
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Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 3 of 15 18 February 2013 at 2:42pm | IP Logged |
linkified it for you
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James29 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5376 days ago 1265 posts - 2113 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French
| Message 4 of 15 18 February 2013 at 7:45pm | IP Logged |
Choice of language is one thing and so is an official language of government, but this appears to suggest that the government is going to use coercion on its own citizens to try to force them against their will into a certain language against their choice. What does the government do to the folks that don't want to run their businesses the way the government wants? Why not just let people decide which language is best for them as an individual? The article is vague.
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expatmaddy Diglot Newbie Korea, South Joined 4329 days ago 19 posts - 27 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin
| Message 5 of 15 19 February 2013 at 3:04am | IP Logged |
I think extending the law might do a lot to disenfranchise native anglophones in Quebec.
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Nature Diglot Groupie Canada Joined 5238 days ago 63 posts - 80 votes Speaks: English*, French
| Message 6 of 15 19 February 2013 at 8:27am | IP Logged |
beano wrote:
If a French speaker from Quebec moved to an English-speaking part of Canada, he or she would be expected to learn or imporove their English and use the language in daily life.
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Did you even read the article?
Bill 14 would make it more difficult for municipalities with an English population under 50 per cent to maintain bilingual status.
The PQ's law would also extend rules for French in the workplace to small businesses with between 26 and 49 employees, and make it harder for students from the French education system to attend English junior-colleges.
So denying a majority anglophone town bilingual status (BILINGUAL STATUS) and the right for CANADIAN students to have access to English colleges (colleges, which are not restricted by language laws like elementary and high schools are) is constitutional?
Anglophones and immigrants here in Quebec ARE learning French. But we also do not need more laws to deny our right to speak one of the two official languages in Canada.
And by the way, Francophones moving to other parts of Canada can have services in French if they so ask for it.
Edited by Nature on 19 February 2013 at 8:31am
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 7 of 15 19 February 2013 at 4:39pm | IP Logged |
Nature wrote:
Bill 14 would make it more difficult for municipalities with an English population under 50 per cent to maintain bilingual status.
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So denying a majority anglophone town bilingual status (BILINGUAL STATUS) [...] is constitutional? |
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Just to be clear, the article said anglophone minority, not majority. And whatever "bilingual status" means, it's certainly not a constitutional issue.
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And by the way, Francophones moving to other parts of Canada can have services in French if they so ask for it. |
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In live in a large Western Canadian city where 88% of the population is unilingual anglophone. Good luck getting French services outside of a few provincial or federal offices designated as bilingual.
But anyway, what's your point?
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beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4623 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian
| Message 8 of 15 19 February 2013 at 5:02pm | IP Logged |
It's amazing how many English speakers scream blue murder when they realise that they may potentially have to learn another language. Quotes like "the whole world speaks English" and "English is the working language of globalised society" are thrown around. Of course, I'm sure this attitude is not unique to the English-speaking world, many humans will find a reason to resist language learning.
The vast majority of Quebec citizens are native French speakers, with varying levels of English. I'm sure many Anglophones in the region also have a perfectly good command of French but there seems to be quite a few who have no intention of embracing the language that is spoken around them. They are the people who should "get with the program"
Edited by beano on 19 February 2013 at 5:04pm
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