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Surtalnar Tetraglot Groupie Germany Joined 4401 days ago 52 posts - 67 votes Speaks: German*, Latin, English, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), Arabic (classical)
| Message 41 of 44 04 March 2013 at 10:51pm | IP Logged |
Toki Pona is very bad in text length and shortness, I changed the Topic title to make clearer what I mean. ;)
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| leroc Senior Member United States Joined 4316 days ago 114 posts - 167 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German
| Message 42 of 44 05 March 2013 at 8:40am | IP Logged |
Vulcan is the most efficient and logical language.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4712 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 43 of 44 05 March 2013 at 11:56pm | IP Logged |
Medulin wrote:
Toki Pona is not really the shortest. Because of its Newspeakesque
structure,
anything but the basic statements have to rely on cumbersome descriptive approach (beat
around the bush: I like raspberry jam: I like cooked sweet mass made from red berries
that grow on hills). |
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You can do away with the hills clause without trouble (other berries also grow on
hills)
and the whole point of Toki Pona is to meditate and put everything into simpler
constructions.
It's great because it forces you to bring down things to the bare essence, that is the
whole idea. If I wanted a long and philosophical sentence, that is what German is for.
Alternatively, Lojban?
Edited by tarvos on 05 March 2013 at 11:57pm
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| shk00design Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4449 days ago 747 posts - 1123 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French
| Message 44 of 44 11 March 2013 at 5:56pm | IP Logged |
When it comes to # characters you enter, European languages are not efficient.
Don't know about other Asian languages but Chinese seemed to be very character-efficient. First there are
no breaks between words in a sentence. For example: "I am an American" would be "我是美国人". The
characters may look very difficult to write but counting the # characters (including spaces in between) in
the English version without the punctuation mark at the end: 16 and the Chinese version: 5. When you get
into an online discussion blog, you can insert entire paragraphs in Chinese even when # characters
allowed for text input is limited.
There are nouns that can be written in condensed form such as "World Trade Center" written as 世界贸易中
心 often shortened as 世贸中心 (4 characters). In English this is often shortened to the acronym WTC (3
characters, 1 shorter than the Chinese version). Another noun: 奥林匹克运动会 shortened to 奥运会 . In
English if we take "Olympic Games" and shortened it to "O Games" the text still takes up 7 characters and
the meaning wouldn't be clear as the Chinese version with just 3 characters.
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