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What’s the most efficient language?

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Surtalnar
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 Message 41 of 44
04 March 2013 at 10:51pm | IP Logged 
Toki Pona is very bad in text length and shortness, I changed the Topic title to make clearer what I mean. ;)
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leroc
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 Message 42 of 44
05 March 2013 at 8:40am | IP Logged 
Vulcan is the most efficient and logical language.
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tarvos
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 Message 43 of 44
05 March 2013 at 11:56pm | IP Logged 
Medulin wrote:
Toki Pona is not really the shortest. Because of its Newspeakesque
structure,
anything but the basic statements have to rely on cumbersome descriptive approach (beat
around the bush: I like raspberry jam: I like cooked sweet mass made from red berries
that grow on hills).


You can do away with the hills clause without trouble (other berries also grow on
hills)
and the whole point of Toki Pona is to meditate and put everything into simpler
constructions.

It's great because it forces you to bring down things to the bare essence, that is the
whole idea. If I wanted a long and philosophical sentence, that is what German is for.

Alternatively, Lojban?

Edited by tarvos on 05 March 2013 at 11:57pm

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shk00design
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 Message 44 of 44
11 March 2013 at 5:56pm | IP Logged 
When it comes to # characters you enter, European languages are not efficient.

Don't know about other Asian languages but Chinese seemed to be very character-efficient. First there are
no breaks between words in a sentence. For example: "I am an American" would be "我是美国人". The
characters may look very difficult to write but counting the # characters (including spaces in between) in
the English version without the punctuation mark at the end: 16 and the Chinese version: 5. When you get
into an online discussion blog, you can insert entire paragraphs in Chinese even when # characters
allowed for text input is limited.

There are nouns that can be written in condensed form such as "World Trade Center" written as 世界贸易中
心 often shortened as 世贸中心 (4 characters). In English this is often shortened to the acronym WTC (3
characters, 1 shorter than the Chinese version). Another noun: 奥林匹克运动会 shortened to 奥运会 . In
English if we take "Olympic Games" and shortened it to "O Games" the text still takes up 7 characters and
the meaning wouldn't be clear as the Chinese version with just 3 characters.


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