reltuk Groupie United States Joined 6817 days ago 75 posts - 110 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French
| Message 25 of 346 07 July 2007 at 4:34pm | IP Logged |
SamD wrote:
I can think of a few characteristics that would apply to
that language.
1. Dead language
2. Language that had very few speakers when it was alive.
3. Language that had no written form, so there is no literature to read in
that language.
I'm sure that there have been quite a few such languages in existence.
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Probably most of them! ;) Of course, we pretty much have no way of
learning such languages anyway. If you did have the opportunity though,
I actually think it might be worth it, depending on the nature of the
language involved. It's entirely possible that it would exhibit unique and
fascinating grammatical features that no one has ever seen in language
before. Then you could become famous writing research papers
debunking Chomsky's universal grammar ;).
-- reltuk
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Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7157 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish
| Message 26 of 346 07 July 2007 at 5:30pm | IP Logged |
reltuk wrote:
While we're in the process of telling people not to get offended when
their language is listed in this thread, let's keep two things in mind:
1) Many people, in many cases rightfully, consider their cultural identify
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This link doesn't apply very well to me personally as I'm a descendant of immigrants, don't speak the language of my ancestors, and feel as part of the widespread culture of "Western civilization" which doesn't really have a specific linguistic dimension.
reltuk wrote:
2) The following two things are very different:
1) an individual not trying to learn a particular language
2) an individual specifically saying that learning a particular language
actively repulses them and that they would prefer to never do it, under
any conditions.
I realize that the prompt of the thread is "What's the last language you
would want to learn", and so the responses to the prompt are slightly less
derogatory than the statement in #2.2. Still, a response to this thread is,
in many cases, a strong statement of the rejection of a very significant
part of a particular culture.
With that being said, it's also important to realize the highly personal
nature of the responses, and to approach them for what they are: a
preference being stated, as opposed to a normative statement regarding
the worth of the mentioned language or resulting culture.
At the end of the day, the languages that we choose to study are a result
of a complex number of factors, many of them conditioned by our own
cultures, experiences and opportunities. Most of the reasons given for
languages being listed in this thread are highly personal preferences or
the result of the prior linguistic conditions of the poster, such as not
liking the sound of a language or thinking the grammar would be too
hard. Given that highly personal nature, it would be wrong, at least in
most cases in this thread, to perceive the responses as indicating any
kind of value judgement on the mentioned language or the related
culture.
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Amen
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awake Senior Member United States Joined 6637 days ago 406 posts - 438 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish
| Message 27 of 346 07 July 2007 at 5:55pm | IP Logged |
Just FYI, for many of us who speak/use Esperanto, the word artificial is
considered somewhat pejorative, and it is also inaccurate. The preferred
word is "planned".
:)
furyou_gaijin wrote:
Anything artificial like Esperanto. |
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Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6895 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map
| Message 28 of 346 07 July 2007 at 7:43pm | IP Logged |
Cage wrote:
There has been much discussion about what languages that we would most like to learn. How about what language would one least want to learn and why? |
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It goes to show. Just a few years back I might easily have listed Mandarin as one of the languages I'd be least likely to ever consider tackling. Yet here I am, doing just that, and with fanatical relish too. I think I'd better just pass on this question ;o).
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Cage Diglot aka a.ardaschira, Athena, Michael Thomas Senior Member United States Joined 6625 days ago 382 posts - 393 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Portuguese
| Message 29 of 346 07 July 2007 at 8:06pm | IP Logged |
Hencke, I have been flirting with Mandarin myself after having gotten interested in the culture while learning Tai Chi and there was a time I would have thought never because of the tones and they are not all that bad. Great post reltuk...thought provoking.
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leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 30 of 346 07 July 2007 at 10:12pm | IP Logged |
This is a hard question. I finally settled on Klingon, but I have to admit that even it appeals to me a little.
Then again, maybe one of those unique rainforest languages with the clicking and the whistling and you have to live with no phone, no lights no motor cars, not a single luxury, like Robinson Crusoe, as primative as can be!
Gee, I hope I didn't offend anybody.
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Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6440 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 31 of 346 07 July 2007 at 10:35pm | IP Logged |
leosmith wrote:
This is a hard question. I finally settled on Klingon, but I have to admit that even it appeals to me a little.
Then again, maybe one of those unique rainforest languages with the clicking and the whistling and you have to live with no phone, no lights no motor cars, not a single luxury, like Robinson Crusoe, as primative as can be!
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Qo'. It's clearly all about the Pentiums for you. Still, it doesn't merit "Hab SoSlI' Quch!" as a reply.
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Aritaurus Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6575 days ago 197 posts - 204 votes Speaks: Cantonese, English*, Japanese, Mandarin Studies: Spanish
| Message 32 of 346 08 July 2007 at 2:47am | IP Logged |
That would be French. I've had the least success with this language dispite the fact that I have studied this in primary school, secondary school and university. I guess my language learning is more strong towards Asian languages.
I still find it strange how I know so much more Mandarin and Japanese without having to ever study the language in a classroom environment.
Edited by Aritaurus on 09 July 2007 at 12:23pm
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