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| Aquila123 Tetraglot Senior Member Norway mydeltapi.com Joined 5308 days ago 201 posts - 262 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Italian, Spanish Studies: Finnish, Russian | Message 121 of 137 14 October 2012 at 10:04am | IP Logged | ||
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The latino languages are complicated, no doubt, and in many ways atypical compared to many other languages. But they are funny though.
And weather you like it or not, Spanish is conquering the USA, bit ny bit. I have learned some rudimentary Japanese, and found the grammer far easier than Italian grammar that I by now master fairly well. But I am far too lazy to think of learning to write Japanese. I also understand Spanish pretty well and even use it to some extend in business, but have not learnt it to any perfection yet. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5132 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 122 of 137 14 October 2012 at 5:46pm | IP Logged | ||
If his other spellings in his post are any indication, it looks like he's just making fun of Japanese pronunciation of Spanish and it's probably meant to be "ayer" - trying to get the past tense of "comer". Pay him no mind. R. == Edited by hrhenry on 14 October 2012 at 5:47pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| sillygoose1 Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4638 days ago 566 posts - 814 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: German, Latin | Message 123 of 137 14 October 2012 at 7:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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| Hiiro Yui Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4719 days ago 111 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese | Message 124 of 137 16 October 2012 at 5:34am | IP Logged | ||
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kanewai, it’s not fair to children who have different tastes. So many native Spanish speakers are here because America is next to Spanish speaking countries. That shouldn’t mean we have to learn their language, right? Besides, if freedom of choice were allowed, some children might be more enthusiastic about learning foreign languages.
hrhenry, I pronounce Spanish with Japanese pronunciation because I don’t really care for Spanish. I’m not making fun of Japanese people, if that’s what you thought. I have a different perspective on Spanish from many English speakers and I’m tired of no one arguing for my side. I’m here to say, “my side also exists”, and I welcome any challengers who want to debate me. If you’re angry, please leave longer, more specific messages about why. The solution to any conflict: more debate. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5132 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 125 of 137 16 October 2012 at 7:40am | IP Logged | ||
No anger. Debates are fine, but for them to be effective, care should be taken as to the appropriate place (and subject matter). Your post started off fine with some valid points, then quickly veered off into "deep- seated hatred" for Spanish, then went on to lamenting about Asian languages not being taught to school children - a valid complaint, but totally wrong thread. Then you went back to anger, this time singling out your Puerto Rican co-workers. Your statement "Saying that all languages are hard will likely lead to more "Spanish-speaker worship" among Americans" was non-sensical to me. Finally you end with the "Just to mess with my my hispanic coworkers' heads" bit. Again, debates are fine, but if you want to be taken seriously, you need to put forth a bit more seriousness yourself. I might have taken you more seriously had I read your post a) in another thread and b) not read the hatred and nonsense within. R. == 8 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Hiiro Yui Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4719 days ago 111 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese | Message 126 of 137 16 October 2012 at 12:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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hrhenry, thanks for the details. Now I can be more thorough in explaining why I think you are wrong.
I value logic above all else. What I mean is, I believe everyone should use arguments they think are logical while debating to change each other’s minds. The more logical your statements, the more likely your opponent’s mind will change. The thing is, that which is thought to be logical may not be completely logical. Logic includes some subjectivity. I might be wrong in thinking what I wrote was logical, but if I’m always aiming for better and better logic, I will go back and change my views and admit I was wrong. That’s why I believe people should at least say they believe what they are saying is logical. This way both sides are continuously trying to improve the quality/persuasiveness of their statements. Some people, hearing my love of logic, mistakenly think I have no emotions. I’ve been told not to use too much logic in debates because I might hurt other people’s feelings. Feeling an emotion is not a scientifically observable human action. Having said that, of course I too feel emotions (this can’t be proven scientifically). I just don’t act on my emotions in ways that contradict my stated moral views (this can be scientifically observed), and I encourage everyone to do the same. I spoke of my hatred for Spanish because I think it is relevant information. I hate it partly because it’s easy. The ease of european languages forms part of the reason why only those language classes could be found in my schools. Many people think Spanish is so easy it should be pushed on Americans above all others. Then you have people who think it’s so hard that any American who learns it to fluency should be seen as super smart. I disagree with both sets of views, and my anger gives me the passion to speak up (using what I think is logic). Someone on this thread said all languages are hard to some degree and should be rated on a scale of less difficult to more difficult. To me, this doesn’t represent the wide range of difference I think exists, and may lead some Americans to think others that learn it to fluency are super smart compared to monolinguals. It used to be that every Spanish word I learned angered me because I felt it was taking brain space I would rather use for a Japanese word. At work, Spanish is used so much I can’t help but memorize some words. Sometimes Puerto Ricans would speak full sentences at me as if they thought, “this is America. Of course he will understand some Spanish”. I ended up getting so angry I started to scare myself, so I kind of said, “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” and asked them to teach me. I didn’t want to get so angry I would actually act in a way that contradicts my moral views. However, I maintain that the language is easy and English should be just as easy for them (despite their insistence otherwise), so as a way of getting back at them for “forcing” me to learn Spanish, I let them know I think it’s no big deal and say that it’s easy and I encourage them to improve their English because it should also be easy. I teach them English whenever I get the chance. In the other thread (here), you had a theory about my motives. I asked you further questions about your theory, but you didn’t respond. I thought, “maybe he’s too busy”, “maybe he has given up on me as too stupid to understand”, or “maybe I changed his mind but he’s ashamed to admit it”. Embarrassment is an emotion. Don’t let it cause you to act illogically. We all feel embarrassed sometimes (as I admitted I did there). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4709 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 127 of 137 16 October 2012 at 2:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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For someone boasting about logic, you're embarassingly poor at using it.
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| anamsc2 Tetraglot Groupie United States Joined 4561 days ago 85 posts - 186 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan, German Studies: French | Message 128 of 137 16 October 2012 at 3:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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Logic is fine, but you should consider also valuing evidence. You're making some huge blanket statements and generalizations that you might not be able to back up.
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