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Silvance5 Groupie United States Joined 5493 days ago 86 posts - 118 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, French
| Message 9 of 137 30 May 2010 at 1:59pm | IP Logged |
Spanish irregular verbs are fairly easy to deal with if you understand why they're used. Discounting of course "Ir," "ser," "ver," and a few others which just must be memorized.
Word like, for example, "Buscar," are changed for a reason.
Busco, Buscas, Busca, Buscamos, Buscais, Buscan.
But when you switch to subjunctive, you can't have "Busce" because it would change the hard "c" to a soft "s" sound and the verb would change. So it's necessary to change it to "Busque." Most irregular verbs follow this sort of pattern. Due to this, when you're conjugating a verb you can look at the spelling, and if the word's pronunciation would change with normal conjugation, it's more than likely an irregular verb. Once I figured that out, the irregulars became much, much easier.
Now, if you want to see irregular verbs that seem to be irregular for no reason, try German >.<.
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| Derian Triglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5307 days ago 227 posts - 464 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, German Studies: Spanish, Russian, Czech, French, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 10 of 137 30 May 2010 at 2:05pm | IP Logged |
dolly wrote:
In Spanish, dropping the subject pronoun means that you have to memorize verb conjugations. |
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What's difficult about that?
Spanish is easy. :)
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| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5452 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin
| Message 11 of 137 30 May 2010 at 2:27pm | IP Logged |
Silvance5 wrote:
Spanish irregular verbs are fairly easy to deal with if you understand why they're used.
Discounting of course "Ir," "ser," "ver," and a few others which just must be memorized.
Word like, for example, "Buscar," are changed for a reason.
Busco, Buscas, Busca, Buscamos, Buscais, Buscan.
But when you switch to subjunctive, you can't have "Busce" because it would change the hard "c" to a soft "s"
sound and the verb would change. So it's necessary to change it to "Busque." Most irregular verbs follow this sort
of pattern. Due to this, when you're conjugating a verb you can look at the spelling, and if the word's
pronunciation would change with normal conjugation, it's more than likely an irregular verb. Once I figured that
out, the irregulars became much, much easier. |
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Buscar is a regular verb.
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| Silvance5 Groupie United States Joined 5493 days ago 86 posts - 118 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, French
| Message 12 of 137 30 May 2010 at 2:35pm | IP Logged |
tractor wrote:
Silvance5 wrote:
Spanish irregular verbs are fairly easy to deal with if you understand why they're used.
Discounting of course "Ir," "ser," "ver," and a few others which just must be memorized.
Word like, for example, "Buscar," are changed for a reason.
Busco, Buscas, Busca, Buscamos, Buscais, Buscan.
But when you switch to subjunctive, you can't have "Busce" because it would change the hard "c" to a soft "s"
sound and the verb would change. So it's necessary to change it to "Busque." Most irregular verbs follow this sort
of pattern. Due to this, when you're conjugating a verb you can look at the spelling, and if the word's
pronunciation would change with normal conjugation, it's more than likely an irregular verb. Once I figured that
out, the irregulars became much, much easier. |
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Buscar is a regular verb. |
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The stem changes (sort of), which I'd consider irregular. If you don't consider stem changing verbs as irregular, then Spanish likely doesn't have more than 25 irregular verbs.
Edited by Silvance5 on 30 May 2010 at 3:00pm
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| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5452 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin
| Message 13 of 137 30 May 2010 at 2:42pm | IP Logged |
Wise owl chick wrote:
Are you sure that French has fewer verb tenses? I thought that it's the
inverse, excepted the prgressive, which Spanish has but French not. |
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I think the number of tenses are more or less the same. In spoken French, the passé simple (j'aimais) is rarely used.
In Spanish, it's counterpart, pretérito indefinido (amé), is in active use. The same can be said about the imperfect
subjunctive. French lacks the future subjunctive, but it's hardly used in modern Spanish either.
Edited by tractor on 30 May 2010 at 2:43pm
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| BlondGirl Groupie United States Joined 5556 days ago 49 posts - 101 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 14 of 137 30 May 2010 at 2:43pm | IP Logged |
Where I live and work, we are bombarded by people from all places (except Spain) whose first language is Spanish. The variety of accents, mix of Spanglais, and various slang are super frustrating. In the last year, Cubans have bombarded our neighborhood, only adding another serious difference. (Do Cubans only slur and never, ever finish a single word? What's up with that?!)
No matter how hard I have tried, I haven't found any language partner who actually wants to learn English while I practice Spanish. I have tried and found some who, upon discovering there is actual time involved and no magic pill, won't even bother. Gggrrrrr.)
I've noticed that here, on this forum, is the only place I see the snobs commenting about how easy Spanish is--of course, I never see the comment written in Spanish to prove the point.
I think it is similar to advice given to new mothers on the bus from old ladies--they just want to seem superior because they have no other way to "prove" their value than to belittle others under the guise of "help".
Personally, I find the almost constant statement to be very discouraging. It is equivalent to saying, "What?!?! You're not linguistically potty-trained already?!?!? You are an idiot!!!"
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| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5452 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin
| Message 15 of 137 30 May 2010 at 2:51pm | IP Logged |
Silvance5 wrote:
tractor wrote:
Buscar is a regular verb. |
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It's a stem changing verb, which I'd consider irregular. If you don't consider stem changing verbs as irregular, then
Spanish likely doesn't have more than 25 irregular verbs. |
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It is not irregular and it is not a stem changing verb either. The spelling of the /k/-sound changes depending on
the following vowel, and that change is completely regular.
Mover is a stem canging verb: mover > mueve
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| Silvance5 Groupie United States Joined 5493 days ago 86 posts - 118 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, French
| Message 16 of 137 30 May 2010 at 3:04pm | IP Logged |
tractor wrote:
Silvance5 wrote:
tractor wrote:
Buscar is a regular verb. |
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It's a stem changing verb, which I'd consider irregular. If you don't consider stem changing verbs as irregular, then
Spanish likely doesn't have more than 25 irregular verbs. |
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It is not irregular and it is not a stem changing verb either. The spelling of the /k/-sound changes depending on
the following vowel, and that change is completely regular.
Mover is a stem canging verb: mover > mueve |
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It's an orthographic change isn't it? Just like G ->Gu and Z ->C in subjunctive and imperative. And yeah, I used the term "stem changing" incorrectly, that was my fault. But my Spanish teacher always called orthographic changes "irregular."
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