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| Tyr Senior Member Sweden Joined 5717 days ago 316 posts - 384 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish | Message 1 of 12 28 June 2011 at 8:58pm | IP Logged |
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I'm trying to use anki for my Japanese however I'm having real trouble with it.
I've got a list of words, ones that I came across and didn't understand, ones which are said to be common, ones I would imagine to be useful, ones I shouldn't forget etc.... Some of these words...no bother, they just click. Maybe they're ones I sort of know or can make a logical leap to getting via them incorporating kanji I know, maybe their sound just clicks. Other words though...again and again I fail to get them and they're forced into the leach pile after a while. Some of these are words I really think I should be learning but they just don't go and they're really ruining my motivation to use anki. What is the proper way to use anki? How do you force words that don't click into your head? Just having a word appear then guessing what it is....it doesn't seem a very efficient route to learning. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Lianne Senior Member Canada thetoweringpile.blog Joined 5050 days ago 284 posts - 410 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Toki Pona, German, French | Message 2 of 12 28 June 2011 at 9:38pm | IP Logged |
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While some people here do learn words effectively just by putting them into Anki, most don't. Anki is (for most people) better for remembering words than for learning them in the first place. I would recommend using some other method, such as word lists of some kind, to learn the words, and then once you kind of know them, put them into Anki for review. That way you're not trying to learn by just being shown random words.
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| guitarob Hexaglot Groupie CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5022 days ago 95 posts - 138 votes Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, Danish, Portuguese, Italian Studies: German | Message 3 of 12 28 June 2011 at 9:41pm | IP Logged |
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I started using the Iversen method for those words.
If I don't know a word I will try again for a second time in Anki and if I fail again, I write it down in a list. When I reach 7 words in my list, I learn them using the Iversen method. Most of the time I get them right the next day, so I find it effective (better than guessing and missing again and again) 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Luai_lashire Diglot Senior Member United States luai-lashire.deviant Joined 5763 days ago 384 posts - 560 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto Studies: Japanese, French | Message 4 of 12 28 June 2011 at 11:20pm | IP Logged |
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I like to look up example sentences for words I don't "get" and write them repeatedly. It helps it stick a little better.
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| jazzboy.bebop Senior Member Norway norwegianthroughnove Joined 5353 days ago 439 posts - 800 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian | Message 5 of 12 28 June 2011 at 11:33pm | IP Logged |
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You might find this article useful for use of an SRS in general: 20 "Rules" of Formulating Knowledge
I would also recommend Iversen's wordlist method but your problem is basically that you need to first learn the vocabulary well enough so that at the least you should remember it comfortably enough the next day. Once you can do that you just need to use Anki to remember it in the long-term. Edited by jazzboy.bebop on 28 June 2011 at 11:49pm 5 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5343 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 6 of 12 03 July 2011 at 7:22am | IP Logged |
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Something you might want to try is setting your initial time intervals a bit shorter and going at those harder words at two points during the day instead of once.
For words that come easily, the default Anki settings have too frequent of intervals and some of the repetitions are unnecessary. With harder ones, waiting a full day until you see them again can be a bit too long, particularly with something like Japanese, and you keep forgetting over and over in the meantime without much progress. Shorter settings can overcome this so those annoying words finally get into a more regular interval path once you begin remembering them more consistently. You can play around with other ways to get them into your head to make up for the "long" default intervals by writing out the words, making sure you have a good kanji "story", or other tricks as well. Shorter intervals will have a similar effect. You just need to spend more time with each word some way or another. At one point I was running different decks with different starting intervals based on how "easy" I thought the word would be to remember to slightly increase the efficiency of the program. I gave up more out of laziness than anything later though. Eventually words will just get easier. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| irishpolyglot Nonaglot Senior Member Ireland fluentin3months Joined 5568 days ago 285 posts - 892 votes Speaks: Irish, English*, French, Esperanto, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Sign Language Studies: Mandarin | Message 7 of 12 04 July 2011 at 5:22pm | IP Logged |
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I use a combination of image association with Anki. So I see the word, and try to link it somehow and then it coming up again reminds me so that link is burned. After I've used it in real life a few times I no longer need the link.
I'd agree that simply seeing the word and hoping you'll remember it doesn't seem so efficient. I need to create an association or I may be likely to forget it. I'm a big fan of Anki. I study it on my Android as I walk sometimes. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| petteri Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4867 days ago 117 posts - 208 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: German, Spanish | Message 8 of 12 21 July 2011 at 12:30pm | IP Logged |
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How to build base passive vocabulary with Anki.
At least 15000-20000 word passive vocabulary is needed for good skills in foreign language. There is no way around it. This is a method of mass input of passive words for motivated students who want develop C1 reading skills fast. This requires a lot of time to spend. Perfect for language nerds with no real life. :) 1) Load Anki software 2) Load large dictionary ie. 10000 most frequent words of Spanish 3) Set deck properties - advanced to following numbers (You can modify these values later to suit your learning style) Initial button 3 interval 4-7 days Initial button 4 interval 9999-9999 days Leech threshold 9 Set number of daily words to 200. 4) Start learning For every word you already know well, press 4 (you will not see it again.). If you do not know the word after 9 occurrences it goes to "leech". You should handle those hard words separately. You find those words in Browse items -< show leech. Do not forget them completely, but handle them with other methods. 5) Grind like a maniac. :) 100-400 new words a day. 1-4 hours of day. It is hard, do not give up. 6) Do not spend more than 50-65 % of your total language learning time on passive words. Do also something else for your language skills. 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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