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About the LR method’s "Natural Listening" | ||
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| Hubsee Diglot Newbie China Joined 5147 days ago 5 posts - 6 votes Speaks: Mandarin, Cantonese* Studies: English | Message 1 of 12 19 July 2011 at 6:39am | IP Logged | ||
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the onwer of this method's so call "Natural Listening" thing is vague
does anyone know what's it actually mean??? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| oldearth Groupie United States Joined 4830 days ago 72 posts - 173 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Esperanto | Message 2 of 12 22 July 2011 at 10:05am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm newbie too, but I recall reading in one of the LR Roundup links that "natural listening" is when you can hear
the spaces between words -- known or unknown -- just as you do when you hear your native language. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Edited by oldearth on 22 July 2011 at 10:06am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tbone Diglot Groupie United States Joined 4926 days ago 92 posts - 132 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Russian | Message 3 of 12 22 July 2011 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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There's a guy named 'Volte' (I think) who usually interprets her stuff for us, but I understand natural listening to be
the stage where you magically comprehend the speech. For me, it's the occasional, "Hey, how did I understand that?" You weren't concentrating, you weren't visualizing or discerning the words, but all of a sudden 'meaning' starts pouring into your head. It's pretty cool. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6374 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 4 of 12 24 July 2011 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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tbone's summary is a good first approximation. Natural listening is when you can simply understand and follow simple recordings for native speakers, without any texts, the first time you listen to them. If you can understand an audiobook for children, or follow radio broadcasts, you're at natural listening.
Natural listening isn't the same as understanding everything in all contexts. It's a label attached to a stepping stone towards that goal. If you still can't understand an audiobook of difficult classical literature, or a movie with lots of whispering, slang, and shouting over background noise, or heavy, unfamiliar regional accents, your comprehension of a language still has a long way to go - but it doesn't mean you're not at "natural listening". oldearth mentions another important step, but it's not natural listening. Atamagaii categorized being able to separate a language into its constituent words (approximately - this is something which will have some fuzzy edges even in your native language) as part of 'step 2' in his/her original post, where 'step 2' was what you wanted to have in place before you moved onto the main process of actually intensively listening to a lot of audiobooks that you have corresponding parallel texts for. Listening to L2 while following a transcript of L2 is useful for this. If anything is still unclear, please ask. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Hubsee Diglot Newbie China Joined 5147 days ago 5 posts - 6 votes Speaks: Mandarin, Cantonese* Studies: English | Message 5 of 12 25 July 2011 at 10:59am | IP Logged | ||
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I want to ask ---
is it all happen after a sudden moment ??? is it like a Epiphany thing ? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6374 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 6 of 12 25 July 2011 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | ||
In my experience, no. If I do L-R intensively, it goes something like this: 1) Understand nothing - if I'm lucky, recognize some cognates and names. 2) Understand occasional words; the equivalent(s) of "the" is probably pretty familiar at this point, along with other words that show up often in literature, like "said", cognates are transparent, and a few other words stick too. 3) Understand basic phrases which are made up of simple words - things like "don't have" will make sense at this point. I'll also passively recognize a fairly large percent of the words in a book, if it's the 2nd or 3rd time through it - further L-R solidifies this, while taking a break for a few days means most of it gets lost. 4) Natural listening. I can follow weather reports, news, simple announcements (copyright notices on books, highlights of an author's biography, announcements in public transport as long as the audio is particularly clear) - missing some words, and occasionally the point, but catching the gist of the majority of what I hear. 3 gradually grows into 4, without any particular epiphany moment. 4 also quickly fades into 3 if you hardly reach it, then do almost nothing with the language for a while. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| pineappleboom Groupie United States languageloft-ashley. Joined 5188 days ago 66 posts - 76 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, French, Russian | Message 7 of 12 29 July 2011 at 6:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think this is a very legitimate concept, seeing how Japanese was once a jumbled mess of syllables to me. After listening to podcasts and watching hours of Japanese television that I could hardly understand, words gradually began to seperate. I could tell when I heard a verb form or when there was an inflection particle at the end of a sentence.
I also have noticed that if I listen to content many times before reading it, I find it much easier to remember kanji readings in the text. This is simply because I have already been exposed to them many times in the audio. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6485 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 8 of 12 30 July 2011 at 7:37am | IP Logged | ||
Which languages have you reached 4) in by using only L-R? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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