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| pon00050 Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4868 days ago 17 posts - 20 votes Speaks: English Studies: Spanish, Korean* | Message 9 of 45 25 May 2011 at 2:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you all of you for the responses.
I feel that more explanation is needed. This is a very rough and brief translation of what was tried to cover in 2 published books. Of course, I couldn't have covered all the aspects of it. Why did I wrote it as Never study languages? That is a direct translation. What the founder of this method meant by "never study" is that there is no time spent in working on grammar exercises. When does one learn the sound system of a language for the language that has drastically diffetent/more sounds? That's where I wanted to ask your opinion. The book was titled 영어 공부 절대로하지마라 meaning never study English. I assume that author assumed that prospective readers of his book already know the basic phonics of English since most Korean people do know that. Why do nothing on 7th day? Apparently, the author claims that there is a research in Germany that says the optimal time for one to take a break so that a knowledge can sink in is every 7th day I am willing to answer more questions if they can be answered based on the books. I do not appreciate the negative comments. I do appreciate constructive criticism. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Thuan Triglot Senior Member GermanyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6865 days ago 133 posts - 156 votes  Speaks: Vietnamese, German*, English Studies: French, Japanese, Romanian, Swedish, Mandarin | Message 10 of 45 25 May 2011 at 3:38pm | IP Logged | ||
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I read that book in Japanese. Reminded me a little of L-R back then (massive exposure to native material from the start).
Glad to see that there's a Korean posting about this book. Do you know the English level of the author? Both books are bestsellers in Korea, so there should be some videos out there demonstrating his foreign language skills (if my memory serves me right, he's also fluent in German). Seeing that you're recommending his method, could you tell us more about your own background and experience with foreign languages to put things into perspective? I've also been curious about the amount of people that actually put this method into practice. since it's a bestseller there should be enough reliable case studies out there. Or not. I should mention, as a case in point, the "Dynamic Immersion System"(aka.the Rosetta Stone method) - a bestselling American language acquisition system that's used by the navy and makes "learning your first language as natural as smiling". The advantage of this Korean system is the use of extensive material right from the start. I can see the idea of creating an artificial immersion environment to overcome deficiencies of traditional methods (classes based on grammar drills and artificial textbooks resulting in weak comprehension skills). The problem is, how do you avoid a burnout? Repeatedly listening is great to internalize a language and sharpen your listening skills - I did listen and shadow to some Assimil lessons up to fifty times. I can' imagine doing this for a one hour audio. Few people will possess the will-power and concentration to follow through. Siomotteikiru suggested people to L-R a book for three to four times. Most users think it excessive to read a book more than once. I do think that this method has its merits, but I wouldn't recommend it in its present form.(my suggestion would be to use shorter texts over a short period of time) About the transcriptions, I always assumed that you have a transcription for the audio to look up unknown words. I could be wrong as it's been awhile since I read it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Lianne Senior Member Canada thetoweringpile.blog Joined 5050 days ago 284 posts - 410 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Toki Pona, German, French | Message 11 of 45 25 May 2011 at 4:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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In first year university I took Introduction to Italian (at least, I took it for a couple of months...), and at the end of every class, the prof would read a text in Italian, and we had to write it down as he said it. Italian has easy, regular orthography, and I still didn't enjoy that exercise. It's really hard to separate words when listening, when you don't know any of the words.
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5946 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 12 of 45 25 May 2011 at 10:00pm | IP Logged | ||
In personifying deities, humans have a tendancy to impose human patterns, and the seven day week is a fairly standard subdivision of the 28-day lunar month. An early people with a 7-day work week would have naturally given their god a 7-day work week. Therefore this proves nothing and disproves nothing, and is a pointless debate to get into. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| pon00050 Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4868 days ago 17 posts - 20 votes Speaks: English Studies: Spanish, Korean* | Message 13 of 45 25 May 2011 at 10:22pm | IP Logged | ||
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Let's not discuss any further on do nothing on 7th day.
I have already explicitly written that the author claims there is such research. Let's not have a debate on theology here. Edited by pon00050 on 25 May 2011 at 10:23pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6594 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 14 of 45 25 May 2011 at 11:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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This sounds an awful lot of study to me… Since when is sitting and listening to foreign audio and then tanrscribing
it with the goal of learning hte language not study? Study does not mean ‹do grammar drills› - though I’d like to see someone learn a heavy inflected language using this system… 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| egill Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5631 days ago 418 posts - 791 votes Speaks: Mandarin, English* Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 15 of 45 26 May 2011 at 3:21am | IP Logged | ||
Hear hear, I would take hours of grammatical drills over that drudgery any day. What's in a name? Hours of incomprehensible input transcription by any other name would still be just as boring and useless. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kmart Senior Member Australia Joined 6059 days ago 194 posts - 400 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian | Message 16 of 45 26 May 2011 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Next to this method, Rosetta Stone looks really appealing...
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