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jtdotto Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5231 days ago 73 posts - 172 votes Speaks: English*, Korean Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, German
| Message 9 of 12 26 July 2012 at 7:45am | IP Logged |
(Edit: fixed a couple links)
druckfehler wrote:
I can see that it's a challenging textbook, especially for someone who isn't familiar with language study. But I'm wondering if you overlooked the "Grammar Note" section that is included in each lesson. If you did see them, I'd like to know in which way you think these explanations are lacking. |
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Hah, I definitely spoke too soon. I was wondering why I didn't see any grammar in the book, guess I didn't look too hard. After looking at it though, I'd say that the grammar explanations, though straightforward, are kind of simple and one dimensional. Here's what they got from a module 2, lesson 1:
5. Expression for "Only": 밖에 + 안 되다
밖에 means literally "outside of" but is generally translated as "only" when it is used with
a negative 안 되다.
6. Sentence Ending: -(는)군
This ending expresses a mild exclamation or a rhetorical statement; it does not
necessarily address anyone.
Straightforward and not very thorough. Expression for only is 밖에 + 안 되다... They talk about where the 밖에 comes from, but there's no mention of the other uses of 밖에. Being somewhat familiar with how the military teaches languages, I imagine are uses of 밖에 are included as grammar points in their own right later on, and with a teacher and 8 hours a day being drilled, this kind of explanation is probably sufficient. But for the self-learner, this is too shallow.
For the 군 explanation, it doesn't give much on how it's used or when, how it differs from something like -네, which is similar. Once again, in the military's classrooms this might be all well and good, but I feel this is not enough for someone on their own. You'll need another reference. The exercises and tables in this book seem pretty good, and the listening materials are pretty good. There's a ton of material in the book and it's free, so that's a plus, but I would strongly suggest a more thorough grammar approach in the beginning. I imagine I would start forgetting points if I only used this book, because there's not a whole that helps you remember how/when/why it's used. Simply put, I think there are better courses that give you fuller, more detailed, and more interesting grammar explanations.
Give these a look:
http://www.paradigmbusters.com/book_ysk_3_grammer_explanatio n.php
http://www.paradigmbusters.com/book_ysk_4_grammer_explanatio n.php
http://www.paradigmbusters.com/book_ysk_1.php
http://www.paradigmbusters.com/book_ysk_2.php
Edited by jtdotto on 26 July 2012 at 7:46am
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| Haksaeng Senior Member Korea, South Joined 6200 days ago 166 posts - 250 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean, Arabic (Levantine)
| Message 10 of 12 26 July 2012 at 4:18pm | IP Logged |
Another Korean grammar series designed for English speakers is Korean Grammar in Use. I'm using the Intermediate level and it has very clear grammar explanations and tables, lots of example sentences, exercise problems with solutions in the back (so you don't have to buy a separate workbook), and an excellent CD containing the spoken solutions to all the grammar exercise problems. I've been listening to the CD every day and it's really helping me with listening comprehension and with learning to recognize the sound and rhythm of the various grammatical constructions.
There are only 2 levels in this series, Beginner and Intermediate. Hope they add an Advanced at some point.
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| Fiveonefive Diglot Groupie Japan Joined 5695 days ago 69 posts - 88 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Swedish
| Message 11 of 12 09 August 2012 at 1:14am | IP Logged |
Don't forget the University of Hawaii KLEAR textbook series. I think it's 9 books long. 1-6 in increasing difficulty and 3 reading courses.
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| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5180 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi
| Message 12 of 12 13 August 2012 at 11:58am | IP Logged |
I have learned with both FSI and DLI, and I must add that although these are useful you should pay attention to Japanese-English borrowings (from English to Korean through Japanese), as they were largely substituted by more accurate English borrowings so cup is not 코뿌 (or smth like that) but 컵.
Moreover post office is 우체국 and no longer 우편국 in SK (NK continues to use the old form, as far as I know).
It's good to build vocabulary, but I would start with something more easy if you are just starting, to get you acquainted with grammar more thorougly.
and the second volume is actually available here: http://www.archive.org/download/Fsi-KoreanBasicCourse-Studen tText/Fsi-KoreanBasicCourse-Volume2-Stude ntText.pdf
Edited by clumsy on 13 August 2012 at 11:59am
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