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Bao
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 Message 25 of 39
18 December 2012 at 10:09pm | IP Logged 
lecavaleur wrote:
I think that if I had to learn English as a foreign language, I would choose American
English, regardless of my proximity to the UK (unless, obviously, I was learning for
purposes of immigration to the UK).

If your goal is being able to communicate with as many people as possible, British English is the one to go for. There's simply more exposure to non-British accents in British media than to non-American accents in American media, so it's much easier to learn to understand people using different accents.
Otherwise, unless you're actually staying in one place to learn the language and local dialect there, I think it's rather pointless to concentrate on one particular accent - simply because at the level most people reach without immersion they aren't likely to emulate the dialect to such a degree that the difference between global standard language and local standard even shows.
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 Message 26 of 39
19 December 2012 at 10:17am | IP Logged 
The differences between American and UK English are very slight. There are a few minor spelling differences, a handful of vocabulary items are different and a couple of verbs behave differently in the past tense. Very occasionally, preposition usage differs.

None of the above cause any impediment in understanding the language, regardless of which side of the pond you come from. The Americans do seem to use one tense that the British don't.

"He was the best actor I ever saw" - you would never hear this construction in the UK.

So, I don't think it matters which version of English you study. As for accents, English speakers do not care about this issue. I mean, we're hardly going to switch to Spanish.

Edited by beano on 19 December 2012 at 10:19am

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 Message 27 of 39
19 December 2012 at 12:40pm | IP Logged 
You could argue that the difference between France French and Quebecois is also very slight.

Same with European Spanish and South American Spanish
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 Message 28 of 39
19 December 2012 at 12:46pm | IP Logged 
Bao wrote:
lecavaleur wrote:
I think that if I had to learn English as a foreign language, I would choose American
English, regardless of my proximity to the UK (unless, obviously, I was learning for
purposes of immigration to the UK).

If your goal is being able to communicate with as many people as possible, British English is the one to go for. There's simply more exposure to non-British accents in British media than to non-American accents in American media, so it's much easier to learn to understand people using different accents.
Otherwise, unless you're actually staying in one place to learn the language and local dialect there, I think it's rather pointless to concentrate on one particular accent - simply because at the level most people reach without immersion they aren't likely to emulate the dialect to such a degree that the difference between global standard language and local standard even shows.


That's an interesting point. The BBC in particular does tend to use a wide range reporters and presenters with different accents, while the American media tends to have their reporters and presenters speaking with a General American accent.

For example, a classic example of this is the journalist and presenter Lyse Doucet.

She's Canadian, but her accent is frankly unusual and hard to pin-point to any particular region. It has elements of Irish, English, Canadian and French Canadian all in one and is a very distinctive.

I can't imagine any American network ever employing someone with an accent like that.

Edited by TobaccoSmoke on 19 December 2012 at 12:47pm

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 Message 29 of 39
19 December 2012 at 6:59pm | IP Logged 
TobaccoSmoke wrote:
While British spellings are generally preferred over American spellings, using American spelling and grammar is now regarded as permissible, and even the Oxford English Dictionary recommends "ize" over "ise".

That's because "-ize" is the etymologically correct variant. It has nothing to do with "British" or "American" spelling. The "British" variant "-ise" only really established itself during the 20th century. For further information have a look at Oxford spelling.

Edited by Josquin on 19 December 2012 at 7:01pm

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 Message 30 of 39
19 December 2012 at 9:29pm | IP Logged 
British pop singers sing in American English ;)
I've never heard /ˈɛvrɪbɒdi dɑːns/ in a pop song.
:)

Spice Gils in ''Wannabe''

''So, here's a story from A [ei] to Z [zi:]
You wanna get with me, you gotta listen carefully''

Edited by Camundonguinho on 19 December 2012 at 9:35pm

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 Message 31 of 39
19 December 2012 at 9:41pm | IP Logged 
Josquin wrote:
TobaccoSmoke wrote:
While British spellings are generally preferred over American spellings, using American spelling and grammar is now regarded as permissible, and even the Oxford English Dictionary recommends "ize" over "ise".

That's because "-ize" is the etymologically correct variant. It has nothing to do with "British" or "American" spelling. The "British" variant "-ise" only really established itself during the 20th century. For further information have a look at Oxford spelling.
Dunno about "TobaccoSmoke" here, but our old friend COF has been told this on at least two occasions. But why let some pesky facts get in the way of a good narrative? ;)
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 Message 32 of 39
19 December 2012 at 11:26pm | IP Logged 
vonPeterhof wrote:
stelingo wrote:
TobaccoSmoke wrote:
   
For example, if a sign in the UK had "color" written on it rather than "colour", some people might notice that it's not the British spelling, but very few people would care and many wouldn't even notice.


I think you don't know what you're talking about. And this thread reminds me of some of the controversial threads started by ex member COF. Coincidence, I wonder?
Hmm, now that you mention it, I did get some déjà vu vibes from TobaccoSmoke's last comment. I wonder why...


Yes yes yes. I wanted to point that out the similarity in style and content of their posts, but couldn't recall his old username. But hey, his other two threads were okay, so let's not "whet the axe, and scour the rusty spear" just yet. :D

Edited by espejismo on 19 December 2012 at 11:33pm



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