aokoye Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5539 days ago 235 posts - 453 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Dutch, Norwegian, Japanese
| Message 9 of 24 15 June 2012 at 5:02pm | IP Logged |
Japanese books that are primarily in romanji unless you only want to speak.
Dictionaries that don't tell you the gender of the word (in languages that have gendered nouns).
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jazzboy.bebop Senior Member Norway norwegianthroughnove Joined 5416 days ago 439 posts - 800 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian
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For Norwegian learners, steer clear of "Norwegian Verbs and Essentials of Grammar" by Louis Janus.
It was written by a non-native and seemingly not checked by any natives as it is littered with spelling errors, unnatural language and some things which are just plain wrong. A lot of it is great and well presented but there are far too many errors in there. It would be a great resource if a new edition were published and properly edited.
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nakrian keegiat Diglot Groupie Thailand Joined 4905 days ago 70 posts - 172 votes Speaks: English*, Thai Studies: Russian
| Message 11 of 24 15 June 2012 at 5:38pm | IP Logged |
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
Any so-called "language course" with just a CD (or more) and thin booklet with phrases. |
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I wouldn't be so quick to judge. There are several products like this for Thai that are very good.
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Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish
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I heartily discourage everyone from using Christopher Moseley's "Colloquial Estonian" per this post of mine and echoed by shapd.
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t123 Diglot Senior Member South Africa https://github.com/t Joined 5609 days ago 139 posts - 226 votes Speaks: English*, Afrikaans
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Avoid Teach Yourself Slovene and Colloquial Slovene by Andrea Albretti. There is a new Colloquial Slovene by a different author. Although I've haven't seen it, it
cannot possibly be worse that the others.
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songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5207 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map
| Message 14 of 24 15 June 2012 at 7:31pm | IP Logged |
DaraghM wrote:
What courses would you strongly advise against using and why ? I'm not thinking about
courses that don't suit your learning style, but ones with fundamental mistakes or difficulties.
My list would be,
...Read and Think in French - Fundamental mistakes in writing. E.g. Mon femme
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Is this the ie=UTF8&qid=1339780418&sr=8-1&keywords=read+and+think+in+fre nch">Read and Think French (no
"in" in the title), by the editors of Think French! magazine?
If so, I'm sorry to hear that - I'd been reading it, and hadn't noticed any errors. (Well, not the "mon femme" one,
at any rate..) I'll check the copy (from the library) again, and see if perhaps it had been fixed in that edition. Were
there any other egregious errors you can think of? - I'm at the A2 level, and might not necessarily know if
something's wrong.
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jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6907 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map
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nakrian keegiat wrote:
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
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I wouldn't be so quick to judge. There are several products like this for Thai that are very good. |
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I'm not saying you can't learn something from such a product, but calling it a language course... Not a single one of those I have seen has had any grammar explanations at all. How anybody could learn a language without even knowing which words were pronouns, verbs etc. is beyond my comprehension. It's like the old phrase books with all kinds of tourist questions but hardly ever any answers. How on earth would you be able to "converse" with a native?
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nakrian keegiat Diglot Groupie Thailand Joined 4905 days ago 70 posts - 172 votes Speaks: English*, Thai Studies: Russian
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None of the ones I mentioned refer to themselves as "courses". They are mostly supplemental material but can still be very useful. It isn't reasonable to fault them for not teaching grammar just like it isn't reasonable to expect a grammar book to teach conversation. If they contain useful, well presented material then they could/should have a place in a learner's overall learning plan.
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