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| Rikyu-san Diglot Senior Member Denmark Joined 5529 days ago 213 posts - 413 votes  Speaks: Danish*, English Studies: German, French | Message 1 of 9 16 June 2012 at 10:47am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I have a few questions regarding study materials for koine and attic Greek:
* Can you recommend this 3-year-elementary course in koine Greek? http://www.opentexture.com/products/greek/. What, in your opinion (preferably based on you own experience) can one hope to attain if one follows this course? * For attic Greek we have Athenaze: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Athenaze-Introduction-Ancient-Greek- 1/dp/0195149564/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1339834555&sr=8-2. The first question is the same as for the Elementary Greek course: What can one hope to attain if one follows this course? The next questions are more practical: It is not clear to me whether one should buy the 1st or the 2nd edition, and what books in each series. Is it the case that there are three books on each level - an introductory book, a student's book and a teacher's book - and does one need all three on both levels? Any alternatives to Athenaze? And where do you go from there? * How does the Assimil Grec Ancien fit into all of this? * Final question: In the book - "The Latin-centered Curriculum" by Andrew Campbell - the author suggests that one may contemplate taking the Elementary Greek course before the Athenaze course. Any thoughts on this? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Luk Triglot Groupie Argentina Joined 5336 days ago 91 posts - 127 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, French Studies: Italian, German, Mandarin, Greek | Message 2 of 9 21 June 2012 at 11:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'll tell what I know from my own inquiries in this matter:
Athenaze is a good introductory course, however, the Italian version is much better (it's more like Lingua Latina by Orberg). I have Assimil Le grec ancien. An ancient greek professor said that it's suitable for intermediate, beginners would find it a little hard to follow. Finally, I think that any course you can find of Ancient Greek you should take it. It's easy to quit this kind of dead languages beacause you have to make a mayor effort to learn it at a decent level. Edited by Luk on 22 June 2012 at 4:40am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| sipes23 Diglot Senior Member United States pluteopleno.com/wprs Joined 4871 days ago 134 posts - 235 votes Speaks: English*, Latin Studies: Spanish, Ancient Greek, Persian | Message 3 of 9 22 June 2012 at 2:58am | IP Logged | ||||||||
If you are only interested in Koine, this is probably fine. Attic, so far as I can tell, is a bit crunchier—some morphological bells and whistles and more complex sentence structure. I've only read the gospel of Mark, and by comparison to Herodotus or Lucian it is way easy. This series seems a little expensive, but not out of line. I don't know much about this, but seeing that the author is writing about literature and video games my hopes are up. On the other hand, three years seems a bit long. The NT, presumably the first stop on a Koine learner's reading list, just doesn't seem that difficult.
I wouldn't fool with the TM—or rather I didn't. I wasn't aware that there was an introductory book. Either edition should be fine, though the Italian edition…what Luk said. As far as using it: If the story you are reading makes sense, you're doing it right. If not, go back and try again. It is a professionally produced textbook and is well graded. I used Athenaze in combo with JACT Reading Greek (not cheap) and Ancient Greek Alive. I just read and read. I completely skipped the exercises (but this was my third attempt at Greek).
Athenaze should need no major introduction for adult learners—particularly if you've had experience with learning other foreign languages. I'd guess it is aimed at high school students. I don't quite know why you'd want to put anything in front of Athenaze the way Campbell's book suggests. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Juаn Senior Member Colombia Joined 5346 days ago 727 posts - 1830 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 4 of 9 22 June 2012 at 5:53am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I've been meaning to take a look at this one.
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| sipes23 Diglot Senior Member United States pluteopleno.com/wprs Joined 4871 days ago 134 posts - 235 votes Speaks: English*, Latin Studies: Spanish, Ancient Greek, Persian | Message 5 of 9 23 June 2012 at 4:47am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Polis is top notch. It is structured more like a modern language textbook than anything else. I dip into it now and then, but in all honesty it looks like a class/teacher combo is necessary for this to really shine. Or I've not figured out how to use it on my own. The recordings that come with it are good quality. It's expensive, but I'd buy it again. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Rikyu-san Diglot Senior Member Denmark Joined 5529 days ago 213 posts - 413 votes Speaks: Danish*, English Studies: German, French | Message 6 of 9 13 August 2012 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Thank you for your replies. They are much appreciated.
Sipes23, Campbell suggests Elementary Greek for homeschooling families that want to start learning Ancient Greek from as early as 2nd or 3rd grade. Apparently, Athenaze is not suitable at that age. I am still looking for an answer to the following question: Does one need to buy the Introduction, the Student's Book and the Teacher's Book (that is, all three books) or not? Or is the answer given in Sipes23's post? After I did the original post I found this wonderful clip on Youtube about useful Ancient Greek Beginner's Materials. I found it very worthwhile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVlQZnL29Ow Edited by Rikyu-san on 13 August 2012 at 6:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 7 of 9 13 August 2012 at 6:52pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I can recommend Reading Greek. It comes with a textbook, a grammar, and a study guide for independent learners.
I have used it for my studies of Ancient Greek and liked it. Edited by Josquin on 13 August 2012 at 6:53pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| sipes23 Diglot Senior Member United States pluteopleno.com/wprs Joined 4871 days ago 134 posts - 235 votes Speaks: English*, Latin Studies: Spanish, Ancient Greek, Persian | Message 8 of 9 14 August 2012 at 1:02am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Athenaze is definitely not suitable for 2nd or 3rd graders. I can't think of too many resources that are appropriate for that age. Maybe Greek for Children from Classical Academic Press, but I've not given it a super close go over. (But the price isn't scary.) Hey Andrew Teach Me Some Greek may be appropriate, but I've never seen it—I mention it by reputation only. I don't know (and can't tell from an Amazon search) what the intro book for Athenaze is. The student book is critical for obvious reasons. The teacher's book is at your discretion. If you feel you need it, get it. Otherwise, you can piece through whether you've got it right or not for most exercises. Or at least I was able to. You may be more on the need it end of the scale if you've not tackled an inflected language before. As for the video, I'm glad you found it worthwhile. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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