Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian
| Message 17 of 35 14 August 2012 at 9:17pm | IP Logged |
Oh no, a phonetic spelling of English would make the language absolutely unintelligible!
All the etymological roots would be unrecognizable!
It would be like abolishing Hanzi in Mandarin! Barbarity!
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emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5533 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map
| Message 18 of 35 15 August 2012 at 12:33am | IP Logged |
Another technique which would probably help is any variety of Listening-Reading: Take a
book you like, find a matching audiobook, and read and listen to the same text in
parallel. You can also use an L1 translation if that helps.
The idea is to associate common words with their pronunciations via massive exposure. A
couple of passes through your favorite novels would certainly teach you how to pronounce
most of the common words. (And do be sure to listen to a lot of English, in general.)
These sorts of techniques helped convince me that French pronunciation was actually
logical and straightforward. Make of that what you will.
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 19 of 35 15 August 2012 at 1:16pm | IP Logged |
Josquin wrote:
Oh no, a phonetic spelling of English would make the language absolutely unintelligible!
All the etymological roots would be unrecognizable!
It would be like abolishing Hanzi in Mandarin! Barbarity! |
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Are you serious or joking?
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Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian
| Message 20 of 35 15 August 2012 at 1:24pm | IP Logged |
Марк wrote:
Are you serious or joking?
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I'm perfectly serious!
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 21 of 35 15 August 2012 at 1:27pm | IP Logged |
Then, how did other languages which did a spelling reform survived?
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Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian
| Message 22 of 35 15 August 2012 at 1:57pm | IP Logged |
One could arguably state that the German language has been ruined by the several spelling reforms since 1996, but that's another cup of tea.
Simply imagine 'night' and 'knight' would be spelled 'nite'. They wouldn't be distinguishable anymore and all connections with German 'Nacht' and 'Knecht' would be lost. Or if 'enough' were spelled 'enuff', what would it still have to do with 'genug'? 'To cough' would maybe be spelled 'to coff'. Where's the connection with 'keuchen'? Okay, it would work with 'blood', which would become 'blud' and would be closer to German 'Blut'.
But these are only etymological trifles. The real problem would be to find a way to write phonetically, because English has to many phonemes. Should one use diacritics or silent letters (but then it wouldn't be phonetical again)? And how to write loanwords from French or Latin? Phonetically or etymologically?
Don't get me wrong. English orthography is a bloody mess, but I don't know if a phonetical spelling would be the best solution. Ha, good word! How would you spell 'solution'? 'Solooshen'??? See what I mean?
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 23 of 35 15 August 2012 at 2:18pm | IP Logged |
If they can understand the difference between "knight" and "night" in speech, there won't
be any problem in writing.
English has the same amount of phonemes as other languages or even less. There are a lot
of ways. i would write both words "nait". One can abolish all those silly "oo" and write
simply "u" as all the people on the planet.
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Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian
| Message 24 of 35 15 August 2012 at 2:33pm | IP Logged |
Марк wrote:
i would write both words "nait". One can abolish all those silly "oo" and write
simply "u" as all the people on the planet. |
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And that's what I mean by "barbarity"...
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