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| Oleg Triglot Groupie Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5829 days ago 57 posts - 95 votes  Speaks: Russian*, Polish, English Studies: Spanish, French, Italian | Message 25 of 34 05 September 2012 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | ||
The 'hardest' accent have the people of the Baltic States and the Caucasus, while Ukranians sometimes have no accent at all, and when they do, it's indistinguishable from the accent of someone who comes from the South of Russia. Belarusians are the same way, half of them don't have any accent, and the other half just sound provincial or countryside Russian. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| shk00design Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4444 days ago 747 posts - 1123 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French | Message 26 of 34 07 October 2012 at 4:15am | IP Logged | ||
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English and other languages that are alphabet-based are easy for anyone to pick out who
is a native speaker. Native speaker usually refer to someone who speaks a language he/she was brought up well-enough. In a place like the US for instance, the official language is English. You may be someone of Italian or Polish descent. Both parents fluent in the language of your ancestry and passed it onto you. You can be a native speaker of Polish although you have never lived in Poland and only went there a few times to visit relatives. For some languages like Chinese that are difficult to write, there are people living outside of Asia who are brought up to speak the language fluently at home but have never learned to write a single character besides their name. Just by talking to them you may think they're fluent enough to have lived in China. But when you ask them to write something they are totally illiterate. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5832 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 27 of 34 07 October 2012 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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Just because someone is illiterate in the language, doesn't make them any less of a native speaker.
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| languagenerd09 Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom youtube.com/user/Lan Joined 5100 days ago 174 posts - 267 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Mandarin, Japanese, Thai | Message 28 of 34 11 October 2012 at 12:12am | IP Logged | ||
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I think it's quite easy for myself and other English natives to automatically see when a
person speaking is not native to the language, especially when here the UK because we can tell via the accent of a person 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Mom Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5026 days ago 5 posts - 11 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Swahili | Message 29 of 34 16 November 2012 at 10:45pm | IP Logged | ||
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The tone of this thread is interesting to me. Instead of complimenting people on their command of a language, it's as if you are criticizing someone for being a "fraud".
Someone speaks a language very well, but instead of focusing on that, the focus is how they are somehow inferior because they dared to mispronounce a vowel. Frankly, I am really tired of the idea that speaking like a native is the end-all and be-all. We can always learn from others, there is nothing wrong with being observant and learning from it. But this language snobbery is really not productive and it hinders people who really want to learn. Instead of being excited, people are scared to utter a word for fear of being harshly criticized. Yes, learn from the "mistakes" of others. But perhaps try to have a different tone about it. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 30 of 34 16 November 2012 at 11:16pm | IP Logged | ||
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I feel the same way too. I'm sure that most people wouldn't think of it as blowing their cover but would just be proud that prior to something they said incorrectly they were assumed to be native.
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| reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6447 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German | Message 31 of 34 16 November 2012 at 11:16pm | IP Logged | ||
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No. I never had the pleasure. I can tell before they finish the sentence. Once or twice I needed two sentences. I think Mom is right, btw. Different non-native speakers will trip in different languages for different reasons.
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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4668 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 32 of 34 17 November 2012 at 3:17am | IP Logged | ||
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Mohenjo-daro's language is not even deciphered. Edited by Medulin on 17 November 2012 at 3:17am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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