Surtalnar Tetraglot Groupie Germany Joined 4396 days ago 52 posts - 67 votes Speaks: German*, Latin, English, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), Arabic (classical)
| Message 1 of 6 05 December 2012 at 5:11am | IP Logged |
Is it possible to get C2 certificates in three languages in 5 years, if I just learn the languages in my freetime?
My native language is German. My English is B1-B2, my French and Spanish A1-A2. I want a C2 certificate for those three languages in circa 5 years. I learn the languages for fun and I want to improve my occupational skills.
Is this doable? What do you think?
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Gosiak Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5126 days ago 241 posts - 361 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, German Studies: Norwegian, Welsh
| Message 2 of 6 05 December 2012 at 7:15am | IP Logged |
Well, I think that if you devote a sufficent amount of time to each of these languages it is possible. Plus, French and Spanish are related, so you will benefit from many connections between them. I think that your goal is realistic, just be consistent with learning. Good luck and keep your motivation high.
Edit: You could join TAC 2013 if team work keeps you motivated and if you enjoy keeping a log to describe your progress.
On TAC in general (1st post).
Edited by Gosiak on 05 December 2012 at 7:39am
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DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6151 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian
| Message 3 of 6 05 December 2012 at 9:51am | IP Logged |
Surtalnar wrote:
Is it possible to get C2 certificates in three languages in 5 years, if I just learn the languages in my freetime?
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I think you'll need to define your freetime as every hour, and every minute, not spent working. This means you'll be reading the languages during meals, listening on all commutes, and scraping every possible opportunity to study. Remember that C2 is the equivalent to the language level of a college educated native speaker. It's not impossible, but it will be extremely tough.
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Quique Diglot Senior Member Spain cronopios.net/Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4682 days ago 183 posts - 313 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: French, German
| Message 4 of 6 05 December 2012 at 10:00am | IP Logged |
Hmm, is it possible to reach C2 without living in a country where the language is spoken?
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Julie Heptaglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6903 days ago 1251 posts - 1733 votes 5 sounds Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, GermanC2, SpanishB2, Dutch, Swedish, French
| Message 5 of 6 05 December 2012 at 11:45am | IP Logged |
It is possible with a lot of time and effort, I just don't know if it's really worth
it, as you might lose some of your passion along the way, and learning might not be
that much fun any more (and it seems like the fun aspect is an important one for you).
Preparing for certificates means not only reaching the actual language level but also
doing tests and dealing with your weak points there (like struggling with some types of
exercises), which may or may not translate into an improvement in your actual language
skills. Generally, it's quite a pain. Furthermore, learning a language to such a high
level is not a walk in the park and requires a lot of involvement, and if you're prone
to interferences, learning Spanish and French at the same time may add to the
difficulty of the whole task.
Personally, I would focus on getting a C2 certificate in English in the next 2-3 years,
and reaching something between B2-C2 level in French and Spanish in 5 years. After
passing C2 in English I could focus on working slowly towards a C2 certificate in
either French or Spanish but probably not in both of them (which does not mean I
wouldn't work on improving the other one, obviously). But that's just me :)
@Quique: in my opinion, it is perfectly possible, provided that you do have some good
speaking practice indeed (and that you put a lot of time and effort into your learning,
read/listen/watch a lot etc.).
Edited by Julie on 05 December 2012 at 11:49am
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Majka Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic kofoholici.wordpress Joined 4657 days ago 307 posts - 755 votes Speaks: Czech*, German, English Studies: French Studies: Russian
| Message 6 of 6 05 December 2012 at 11:48am | IP Logged |
Quique wrote:
Hmm, is it possible to reach C2 without living in a country where the language is spoken? |
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Yes, it is possible. People did it years ago and nowadays it is even easier. Mind you, it is not easy.
Allow me to quote myself:
Majka wrote:
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these days, you can create immersion on your own, without leaving your living room... You will miss some details but you will get a near-immersion with some planning.
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To create immersion and get to near native in a language without leaving the town, I do following:
- read newspaper (online) - at least one serious one and one tabloid
- read textbooks, self-help books, encyclopedias, picture dictionaries / encyclopedias, tourist guides, wikipedia articles and similar in the target language
- read (and listen) fiction in target language
- listen to the news, watch films in the target language
- if I can find, listen or watch college courses online
- watch (or listen) to political debates online
- find online community in the target language discussing my hobbies and take part in it
- ideally, find native speakers near-by (ex-pat meets etc.) and interact with them. Usually, it isn't very difficult - these people are surrounded by foreign language all day and are grateful to spend evening speaking in their native language. You don't need real friends - friendly acquaintance is sufficient.
- again, ideally you want to keep contact with different groups (different ages, different jobs and hobbies). Do it in person or online.
- use skype to chat with people
As you can see, it is lot of work. Even starting from advanced level, it will take determination and time to get near-native, and you will still miss references from early childhood the native speakers have. One can stop earlier - at the advanced level. It is usually enough to get by comfortably, the method is the same, but it doesn't need the same intensity.
Living abroad makes things easier, but with a good internet connection you can do a lot from your own chair :) |
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It is difficult but possible to reach C2, what is much more difficult is to keep this level constantly - our active skills get rusty very quickly.
For me, C2 level is not needed unless one works or lives "in the language" or uses it very often. Otherwise, I am quite content to get C2 level in passive skills and stay much lower, at high B2 or B2/C1 level in active skills. I mean all the seldom used language, where the maintenance would eat all my spare time...
But it is quite possible to start collecting C2 certificates - you simply need to time the exam right :)
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