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| Epidot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4955 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes | Message 1 of 3 24 April 2011 at 8:36pm | IP Logged |
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I have started to learn Tagalog.
Rosetta Stone - Yes fun to look at pictures but this programme is useless. I can say about 3 different sentences relating to the exact same picture and I have no idea what the diferences are... Sure I see a different word or two in each of the setences but with no translation your totally stompt of what your learning. (RS written off) Pimsleur - I have gone through the very first lesson which teaches you how to have a conversation with someone. In this lesson what i learnt was how to say to following Good day Can you speak English? I can speak a little English I cannot speak English Are you American? This took 30 minutes. I had to go over it two times to really get it. 1 hour... This has actally stuck so far wich is good. But I came across this http://mylanguages.org/tagalog_phrases.php Im wondering what the real benifit is of listening to a 30 minute audio just to learn 5 phrases??? I mean it's good that you hear it being said in a convo and can hear the pronunciation but here is the point im trying to make. This link shows just about every single phrase you will need to have a decent conversation. At the end of the day, isn't just learning all those phrases from a page with the English translation next to it "the best and easiest" way to learn? I could choose one topic of phrases and learn 20 in day compares to spending 30 minutes learning 5 phrases with Pimsleur. Pimsleur has more benifits obvcourse you can say "well you get to hear the phrases in a real conversation" but arn't we really just here to learn the words at the end of the day? I guess if you do not listen then you might pick up incorrect pronunciation of words which isnt good. Maybe this point alone puts my query to rest? Don't get my intentions wrong here. Im new and looking for advice only. I'm simply wondering if learning from the list in that link is a better way and if the answer is no... why not? Thanks Edited by Epidot on 24 April 2011 at 8:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 6042 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes  2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 2 of 3 25 April 2011 at 6:48am | IP Logged |
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I understand this line of inquiry; language consists of a bunch of phrases (it is not well defined what a phrase is...does changing the tense make it another phrase?), so just learn them all and you're done. It seems logical, but there are two main problems.
Quantity of "phrases". While conversation can (sometimes) contain a small set of words, there is a huge combination between those words (again, not well defined here what a "word" here means) using all the grammar. Even if it is daily conversation however, you are still talking about around 1500 words. For example, you could say that 60% of a given language is only X words, but the combination between all those words using all the grammar is enormous. Two, fluidity. Even if you simply memorized a massive set of phrases, you would still have conditioned yourself to respond to input in your L1, not the conversation itself. You would like fluidity, improvisation, fillers, you wouldn't be responding to the conversation, rather just relying on your huge set of set phrases. I believe that conversation is way way more than just repeating phrases you once heard, it involves working memory, intuition, social cues, body language, etc. It is hugely complex. Edited by irrationale on 25 April 2011 at 6:57am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| pfn123 Senior Member Australia Joined 5075 days ago 171 posts - 291 votes Speaks: English* | Message 3 of 3 25 April 2011 at 9:27am | IP Logged |
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One resource I'd reccomend for Tagalog would be 'Living Language: Spoken World Tagalog' (You can see it here). I bought it (and others in the Spoken World series) after seeing the Korean one at my local library. I have other Living Language books, and I like them a lot.
It teaches dialgues, vocabulary, phrases, grammar... and has CDs. Although I haven't used the Tagalog one yet, I do own it, and it seems very good indeed. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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