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| 3mar Newbie United States Joined 4556 days ago 4 posts - 9 votes Studies: Arabic (Egyptian) | Message 1 of 23 06 June 2012 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi all. I am currently going through Pimsleur's Egyptian Arabic audio course. I am on lesson 21 of 30 and will be done within another week or so. I previously completed level 1 of Rosetta Stone Arabic. I stopped Rosetta Stone after level 1 because it is Modern Standard Arabic and I want to learn Egyptian Arabic. I really like Pimsleur, but unfortunately it stops after lesson 30. I prefer audio lessons so I can do them when I run and when I drive, which gives me about an hour and a half each day. My question is; what should I do next? I was thinking of going through the Michel Thomas Arabic course, but I have heard that it goes pretty slow and at the end, I don't think it will take me much further than where I am now. Does anyone know of any other audio Egyptian Arabic courses I could do next? Or do you have other advice? Thanks in advance.
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| daristani Senior Member United States Joined 7145 days ago 752 posts - 1661 votes  Studies: Uzbek | Message 2 of 23 06 June 2012 at 5:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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By far the most comprehensive and ambitious set of materials for Egyptian Arabic is the five-volume set prepared in the 1970s by the University of Michigan:
An Introduction to Egyptian Arabic by Ernest T. Abdel-Massih. Revised 1981. 405 pages. ISBN: 0-932098- 09-06. $35.00. This volume serves as a formal course text of Egyptian Arabic for college students. It consists of lengthy treatment of Egyptian Arabic phonology; Basic Units, Conversations, extensive Grammatical Notes and Drills; and word lists, tests, stories, anecdotes, proverbs and an English-Arabic Lexicon. Accompanying tapes available separately. A Comprehensive Study of Egyptian Arabic - Volume I by Ernest T. Abdel-Massih and A. Fathy Bahig, in association with El-Said M. Badawi and Carolyn G. Killean. 1978. 454 pages. ISBN: 0-932098-11-8. $35.00. Conversations, Cultural Texts, Sociolinguistic Notes. Designed for intermediate-advanced students. Part One consists of conversations in phonetic transcription and Arabic script (with translations), "texts" discussing one or more important ideas of each conversation and comprehensive sociolinguistic notes. Part Two includes 50 "Cultural Texts" discussing cultural points which are not dealt with in Part One. Part Three is an Appendix of useful information. Part Four is a System of Transcriptions. Part Five is a vocabulary list. Accompanying tapes available separately. A Comprehensive Study of Egyptian Arabic -Volume II by Ernest T. Abdel-Massih, El-Said M. Badawi and Zaki N. Abdel-Malek in association with Ernest N. McCarus. 1978. 396 pages. ISBN: 0-932098-12-6. $35.00. Proverbs and Metaphoric Expressions. Designed for intermediate-advanced students; includes 695 proverbs and 276 metaphoric expressions in transcription and Arabic script with translation and annotation. Accompanying tapes available separately. A Comprehensive Study of Egyptian Arabic - Volume III by Ernest T. Abdel-Massih, Zaki N. Abdel-Malek and El-Said M. Badawi in association with Ernest N. McCarus. 1979. 337 pages. ISBN: 0-932098-13-4. $35.00. A reference Grammar of Egyptian Arabic: grammatical and linguistic terms in dictionary format. No tapes available. A Comprehensive Study of Egyptian Arabic -Volume IV by Ernest T. Abdel-Massih, El-Said M. Badawi and Zaki N. Abdel-Malek in association with Ernest N. McCarus. 1979. 494 pages. ISBN: 0-932098-14-2. $35.00. Lexicon, arranged in 34 cultural categories. Part I: Egyptian Arabic- English; Part II: English-Egyptian-Arabic. No tapes available. The books can be ordered here: http://www.ii.umich.edu/cmenas/resources/publications and the audio here: http://sitemaker.umich.edu/flacs/home A less ambitious approach would be to use the book "Kullu Tamam", available through Amazon. ADDENDUM: There's also the DLI Egyptian Arabic materials, which can be downloaded here: http://jlu.wbtrain.com/sumtotal/language/DLI%20basic%20cours es/Egyptian%20Arabic/ (It seems to presuppose a knowledge of standard Arabic, but might still be of use.) Edited by daristani on 06 June 2012 at 5:51pm 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Andrew C Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom naturalarabic.com Joined 5191 days ago 205 posts - 350 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written) | Message 3 of 23 06 June 2012 at 5:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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You could try gloss.
Select Egyptian, then select a lesson, then click on "source" then click on "view translation" and you'll have a parallel text Arabic/English with audio. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Jappy58 Bilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member United States Joined 4639 days ago 200 posts - 413 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Guarani*, Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Egyptian), Arabic (Maghribi), Arabic (Written), French, English, Persian, Quechua, Portuguese Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 4 of 23 06 June 2012 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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I second daristani's and Andrew C's suggestions. I've previewed the UMich materials (only the first three, however) and their audios and they are excellent.
GLOSS, IMO, is an excellent way to start the dialect (and other dialects). The audio is generally very clear, the activities are comprehensive, and there are some notes regarding grammar and vocabulary that will help you if you ever get stuck. I also recommend " Kalaam Gamiil: An Intensive Course in Egyptian Colloquial Arabic: Volume 1", which is available on Amazon. It's an excellent way to look into Egyptian Arabic, and uses both the Arabic script and sometimes transliteration for it. The Kallimni 'Arabi series is also great. However, it is worth noting that these courses (and Kalaam Gamiil) are best used with some background knowledge of MSA. May I ask: Are you starting out with Egyptian Arabic? That's what appears to be the case, but I'm just making sure whether or not you have some background in MSA. Are you familiar with the Arabic script, for example? I hope this helps. Egyptian Arabic is a fun dialect to explore and generally there are more quality resources available for it versus those of some other dialects. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| 3mar Newbie United States Joined 4556 days ago 4 posts - 9 votes Studies: Arabic (Egyptian) | Message 5 of 23 06 June 2012 at 8:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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All; thanks so much for your replies. I appreciate the information. I'm glad to see some additional resources are available for Egyptian Arabic.
Jappy58, to answer your question, I started with Rosetta Stone Arabic and did the first of three levels which is MSA. I wanted to learn Egyptian Arabic first however. My father is Egyptian but never taught my brother or I Arabic. Growing up, whenever we had family functions with any of our Egyptian relatives, we were always the one's sort of left out of the conversation. My main goal is to be able to communicate with my Egyptian half of my family. Although none of them live close to me, with Skype and other technology, this is now possible on a more regular basis. I figure starting with Egyptian would be a better way to go as that is what is typically spoken among them. I did learn to read Arabic script through Rosetta stone however. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Jappy58 Bilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member United States Joined 4639 days ago 200 posts - 413 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Guarani*, Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Egyptian), Arabic (Maghribi), Arabic (Written), French, English, Persian, Quechua, Portuguese Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 6 of 23 06 June 2012 at 11:22pm | IP Logged | ||
Alright, great to know. Having some knowledge of MSA will help you with acquiring Egyptian Arabic. Also good that you can read the script, since that makes some of the resources easier to use. :) I wish you luck! It's great that you're interested in learning your family's language, it's an amazing one indeed. :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| catisue22 Newbie United States Joined 4554 days ago 3 posts - 6 votes Studies: French | Message 7 of 23 14 June 2012 at 12:17am | IP Logged | ||
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Hi 3mar,
I would really like to tell you that quitting rosetta stone because it is in Modern Standard Arabic is not what I would do. I understand why you would want to go straight into a dialect because it saves time, but if you want to understand any books, movies, etc., the Modern Standard Arabic is a must know. Egyptian Arabic does allow you to watch some movies and is used in the media a little bit, but I really believe that learning Standard Arabic will help you if you want to go anywhere other than Egypt. You may not know the Tunisian Dialect, but you could communicate with people from Tunisia in the Standard Arabic. When I first started learning Arabic, Egyptian Arabic was the one I wanted to learn also, and I wanted to skip the Standard Arabic as well, but as shown in this video, you can see why I chose to instead choose the Standard Arabic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyldgH6pzmc 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Jappy58 Bilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member United States Joined 4639 days ago 200 posts - 413 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Guarani*, Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Egyptian), Arabic (Maghribi), Arabic (Written), French, English, Persian, Quechua, Portuguese Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 8 of 23 14 June 2012 at 10:13pm | IP Logged | ||
I agree, which was the source of my question towards 3mar regarding whether or not e had background in MSA. In my study of the language, having a strong command of MSA helped enormously with gaining proficiency in several of the dialects, even with the ones that are considered more divergent, such as Moroccan (and Maghrebi in general). Even just basic knowledge of MSA can help, too, but I would recommend a more thorough look into MSA. It serves, without a doubt, the foundation of the dialects, and from there it is much easier to branch out and better understand the similarities and the differences between the different dialects. Going from MSA to Egyptian and then to another dialect would be a much smoother experience than going from Egyptian to MSA or from Egyptian to another dialect, since the overwhelming similarities won't be as noticeable. Then again, it varies depending on the goal of the individual. If you're solely interested in communicating with your family, perhaps going straight to Egyptian is all you want and need. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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