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| Hekje Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4708 days ago 842 posts - 1330 votes  Speaks: English*, Dutch Studies: French, Indonesian | Message 33 of 40 24 July 2012 at 10:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
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@montmorency: Thank you very much for your thoughts! Those examples explain a lot. Best of luck with your
Danish. (I should also mention that I'm living vicariously through your log at the moment.) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6914 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 34 of 40 24 July 2012 at 11:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
It's not the first time I'm reading this... It depends a lot on the kind of "l" you're thinking of (considering that there are many kinds of "l" sounds out there) and the amount of listening you've done (many learners are 100% "sure" that this or that sound is a perfect match to a sound in their native language - guess why people rarely have a convincing accent?). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Corinwright1994 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4614 days ago 27 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 35 of 40 25 July 2012 at 5:10am | IP Logged | |||||
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i often think of those as "L" when they're at the end of the word : mulighed
and "TH" when they're in the middle of a word : hedder 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4526 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 36 of 40 25 July 2012 at 2:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
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That's the problem with categoric perception: there are different categories in different languages. In English, there is /ð/ and there is /l/. Danish has both those phonemes too, but the border between them is different. The Danish /ð/ is actually somewhere between the English /ð/ and the English /l/ acoustically. I guess most Danes could distinguish between their /ð/ and the English /ð/, thus they would have 3 categories in an area where English only has 2.
The thing is that the Danish /ð/ is usually no [ð] at all, but rather a dental approximant. Furthermore, the tongue is not "on" the teeth, but shortly behind them. Maybe learning to pronounce it the right way first would help with hearing it the right way. I can't really tell though, I have never had a problem with hearing the right one of /d/, /ð/ and /l/. They sound all very much different to me. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4673 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 37 of 40 25 July 2012 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The Danish [s] sounds very funny, it's a hissing sound (reminiscent of Northern Spanish pronunciation of s and Northern Dutch [s]).
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4833 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 38 of 40 25 July 2012 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
It's kind of you to say that. But I must admit I'm not giving Danish as much attention as I should be doing at the moment. :-( I'm trying to get over a certain "hump" at the moment in my German (a not unpleasant hump, but still a hump), and then I'll really go to town on Danish. That's what I keep telling myself :-) If you are thinking of doing it though, don't be afraid of it. The more of us, the merrier :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4833 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 39 of 40 25 July 2012 at 11:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
No, and I was aware this theme has been repeated several times, when I wrote it, and was wary of the response I would get. Anyway, I was just trying to give an illustration, not a definitive statement. I suppose the lesson is: listen more, but be sure of exactly what it is that you are listening to. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 40 of 40 27 July 2012 at 1:49am | IP Logged | |||||
Reminds me on how we were sightseeing in Turku and mum saw "Aura å" on the map. mum:why does it say Aura a? me: because [o:] is the Swedish for river. :DDD And then comes Danish and makes them even less recognizable. That's also my problem with the English dialects btw, I'd say. And the compound words are like the Romance short words lol. Edited by Serpent on 27 July 2012 at 1:50am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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