Ajijic10 Diglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 7000 days ago 161 posts - 210 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English*, Spanish
| Message 1 of 6 07 October 2009 at 5:24pm | IP Logged |
"Dr Sulzberger's research challenges existing language learning theory. His main hypothesis is that simply listening to a new language sets up the structures in the brain required to learn the words."
"However crazy it might sound, just listening to the language, even though you don’t understand it, is critical. A lot of language teachers may not accept that," he says.
Link: Dr. Sulzberger language acquisition theory
P.S. I don't claim to believe this theory. Just thought I'd open it up for discussion.
Edited by Ajijic10 on 07 October 2009 at 5:27pm
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elindberg Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5639 days ago 6 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English*, Russian, French Studies: Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 2 of 6 07 October 2009 at 6:38pm | IP Logged |
I'm unimpressed, but I can't tell if it's with the article, with Dr. Sulzberger, or both. (And I'm not an expert on the subject - just someone studying the field of second language acquisition.)
I have difficulty understanding exactly what Dr. Sulzberger's research entails. The news article plays up the suggestion that extended exposure to a foreign language can be crucial in understanding that language. That isn't a particularly new or revolutionary idea. The quotes from Dr. Sulzberger suggest that he attributes this to the development of neural tissue, which would be interesting. (Not to say a little dubious - I'm really out of my depths on this subject, since I know next to nothing about neuroscience, but from what little I do know, the brain just doesn't work that way, does it?)
If he's measuring something physical to demonstrate this development of brain tissue, then it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere in the article.
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draoicht Groupie Ireland Joined 6398 days ago 89 posts - 146 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 3 of 6 07 October 2009 at 6:47pm | IP Logged |
Huge thread from earlier this year on this topic Link
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Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 6044 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Studies: Mandarin
| Message 4 of 6 08 October 2009 at 2:55am | IP Logged |
elindberg wrote:
The quotes from Dr. Sulzberger suggest that he attributes this to the development of neural tissue, which would be interesting. (Not to say a little dubious - I'm really out of my depths on this subject, since I know next to nothing about neuroscience, but from what little I do know, the brain just doesn't work that way, does it?) |
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I don't have any citings though have read that when fluent there are many, many neural pathways existent in the brain, which have been developed over time. There have to be so many that when under stress and many of those pathways dissapear, there are still pathways to draw upon. I came across this a while back when looking at fluency, in general. At that time I was not specifically interested in language.
Edited by Snowflake on 08 October 2009 at 3:02am
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Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6096 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 5 of 6 08 October 2009 at 11:52am | IP Logged |
draoicht wrote:
Huge thread from earlier this year on this topic Link |
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In summary:
What Sulzberger did was prove that students find it easy to recall Russian words that have sound patterns similar to English, and hard to recall Russian words that don't sound similar to English.
He did nothing to prove what would make the hard words easier -- in particular he did nothing to investigate "just listening" to the target language. That was all conjecture.
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Ajijic10 Diglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 7000 days ago 161 posts - 210 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English*, Spanish
| Message 6 of 6 08 October 2009 at 6:34pm | IP Logged |
draoicht wrote:
Huge thread from earlier this year on this topic Link |
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Yeah, sorry about that. I should have done a search before I posted.
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