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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5373 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes  Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 9 of 11 08 March 2011 at 4:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
Even in dialects where it is indeed silent, it's my understanding that the silent r slightly extends the vowel's length, a difference that native ears perceive.
A Japanese may be more likely to use L when speaking really slowly, and may be more likely to do so after certain vowels, especially women, but there is no such direct correlation. Whether it's a flap or an approximant is unmarked and they are completely interchangeable in every phonetic context. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5373 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 10 of 11 08 March 2011 at 5:03pm | IP Logged | |||||
A huge part of language acquisition is habit formation. It's inevitable that we will often create wrong habits because we need to make assumptions (including about which sounds are part of the same phoneme) in order to make use of the fragmented information that we've been exposed to and that we were able to parse. I believe that successful language learners are generally better able, on the one hand, to discern discrepencies between the temporary habits they have created and the reality of the language and, on the other, to change their habits as needed. This ability to form malleable temporary habits is crucial. I think this essentially sums up your future progress with Welsh pronunciation: adopt temporary habits that are progressively closer to reality and modify them as more precise understanding is acquired. I reach 2 conclusions from this. First, if a person is able to adapt progressively and change their habits as they go along, then no method of acquisition is needed. Personally, I don't have a method and I don't feel that I need one because, like you, I can change my temporary habits on the fly on the basis of my increasingly refined analysis of new information. Second, if a person is unable to identify inadequacies in their habits or if they have difficulty changing habits once they have been created -- either for intrinsic physiological reasons or for a lack of the proper tools -- then the establishment of the proper habits from the start is paramount. First scenario learners don't need help. They are self-sufficient and will eventually have formed habits that closely resemble reality. Second scenario learners either need the tools to become like first scenario learners or else this is unattainable for them, and perfectly laid-out rules must be dictated to them from the very beginning. You seem convinced that these tools can be communicated to all learners, but I'm not sure I share your faith. Edited by Arekkusu on 08 March 2011 at 5:33pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5758 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 11 of 11 08 March 2011 at 7:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
In most cases it changes vowel quality. The two examples mentioned are schwa sounds/reduced vowels. -er in most dialects (even such that don't vocalized the r at the end of other syllables) is realized as an a-based schwa, whereas -e is realized as an e-based schwa. Full vowels that are followed by a rhotic r turn into a kind of reduced diphtong, where the r is replaced by a (short!) schwa. It depends on the vowel if that schwa is a-based or e-based. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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