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aabram Pentaglot Senior Member Estonia Joined 5525 days ago 138 posts - 263 votes Speaks: Estonian*, English, Spanish, Russian, Finnish Studies: Mandarin, French
| Message 9 of 12 28 January 2011 at 7:49am | IP Logged |
This "study" reminds me the story about QWERTY typewriter layout being born because
typists were becoming proficient with previous layout and their speed started to
surpass mechanical ability of the typewriters and keys and levers were becoming jammed
from fast typing. Thus, the solution was not to improve mechanical parts but to mess up
layout to slow down typists. There, problem solved.
I, for one, cannot read slowly. I have to keep feeding my brain at certain constant
speed or it gets bored in between receiving chunks of information and wanders off. Slow
reading is like wathcing movie by carefully inspecting each frame. It's not necessary,
wastes time and hinders me from getting the bigger picture and forming thoughts and
memories. I want my text acquisition to be a continuous stream, not a trail of puddles.
As for Comic Sans, it would block me up from reading any text longer than few lines.
It's not snobbery, it's just disgust for the unorder that monstrocity of a font
represents. Ordnung muß sein! Even with fonts. No, especially with fonts.
Also, they tested the subjects with Powerpoint? They didn't test with printed texts?
Seriously? They just could've donated the study money to women against breast cancer
fund or something to put it to better use.
Edited by aabram on 28 January 2011 at 7:50am
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| Normunds Pentaglot Groupie Switzerland Joined 5956 days ago 86 posts - 112 votes Speaks: Latvian*, French, English, Russian, German Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian
| Message 10 of 12 29 January 2011 at 11:57am | IP Logged |
John Smith wrote:
Difficult-to-read fonts make for better learning, according to scientists.
Researchers found that, on average, those given the harder-to-read fonts actually recalled 14% more.
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"So if something is hard to see or hear, it feels disfluent... We'd found that disfluency led people to think harder about things.
Source
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11573666
Is it possible then that people who speak languages that have difficult scripts remember more information after reading a text than people who speak languages that are phonetic??? |
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IMO BBC is pretty unreliable in reporting "scientific" discoveries. Both because of the quality of reporting itself and of "scientific methods" used by the "scientists" (though usually BBC simply fail to mention methodology used). I would not bother one iota about this article.
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| maurelio1234 Triglot Groupie BrazilRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6072 days ago 61 posts - 92 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishC2, French Studies: German, Mandarin
| Message 11 of 12 26 February 2011 at 11:11am | IP Logged |
Normunds wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Difficult-to-read fonts make for better learning,
according to scientists.
Researchers found that, on average, those given the harder-to-read fonts actually
recalled 14% more.
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"So if something is hard to see or hear, it feels disfluent... We'd found that
disfluency led people to think harder about things.
Source
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11573666
Is it possible then that people who speak languages that have difficult scripts
remember more information after reading a text than people who speak languages that are
phonetic??? |
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IMO BBC is pretty unreliable in reporting "scientific" discoveries.
Both because of the quality of reporting itself and of "scientific methods" used by the
"scientists" (though usually BBC simply fail to mention methodology used). I would not
bother one iota about this article. |
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Maybe that's because BBC is not a scientific journal :)
BTW, most of BBC readers would not be able to evaluate the scientific methods employed
in these kinds of "discoveries", why bothering them with that?
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| plaidchuck Diglot Groupie United States facebook.com/plaidchRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5297 days ago 71 posts - 93 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish
| Message 12 of 12 26 February 2011 at 7:27pm | IP Logged |
If anyone is interested here is the actual scientific journal article:
http://web.princeton.edu/sites/opplab/papers/Diemand-Yauman_ Oppenheimer_2010.pdf
Overall the methodology wasn't bad, but it's still impossible to generalize results from just one "high-performing 98% white" high school. As for the printed material, they were made disfluent by being recopied in a disfluent way "moving the paper up and down during copying". As far as I know they only modified supplemental material (worksheets and powerpoint slides).
As we all know the popular press will sensationalize anything and the idea they seem to convey here is there is a "magic" font they will help you remember more. We have to look at the big picture hypothesis which is that disfluent or slightly more difficult to read material may be retained more because people will concentrate more and think more deeply about it.
As anyone who is familiar with research knows, you can never "prove" a hypothesis but rather only find data they may support it. It would be interesting to see this replicated across many different schools and subjects to see if they find something similar.
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