RogerK Triglot Groupie Austria Joined 5067 days ago 92 posts - 181 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian Studies: Portuguese
| Message 1 of 12 05 March 2011 at 9:06am | IP Logged |
This has been mentioned in another thread but I would to have a topic dedicated solely to this question and I would like to read people's opinions on whether we can learn a language by ear alone. I think we can. What do you think?
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Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5661 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin
| Message 2 of 12 05 March 2011 at 9:17am | IP Logged |
What do you mean when you say "by ear alone"?
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aabram Pentaglot Senior Member Estonia Joined 5525 days ago 138 posts - 263 votes Speaks: Estonian*, English, Spanish, Russian, Finnish Studies: Mandarin, French
| Message 3 of 12 05 March 2011 at 1:00pm | IP Logged |
Well, before mister Gutenberg came -- bless his soul -- and gave the world his ingenious
invention it's pretty much the way 99,99% of the people did it. In illiterate parts of
the world it's still the only way.
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RogerK Triglot Groupie Austria Joined 5067 days ago 92 posts - 181 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian Studies: Portuguese
| Message 4 of 12 05 March 2011 at 1:07pm | IP Logged |
Splog wrote:
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Without reading.
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schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5552 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 5 of 12 05 March 2011 at 2:26pm | IP Logged |
Michel Thomas, Pilmsleur, and others use anly audio. Or are you not allowed to use your own language at all?
I'm just starting an experiment (or training exercise) trying to do an Assimil course without reading the target dialogue (but still reading the L1) to see how far I can get, but I'm not very optimistic. And I keep accidentally glancing at the left page, but not too much.
Edited by schoenewaelder on 05 March 2011 at 2:27pm
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tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5445 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin
| Message 6 of 12 05 March 2011 at 3:14pm | IP Logged |
schoenewaelder wrote:
I'm just starting an experiment (or training exercise) trying to do an Assimil course
without reading the target dialogue (but still reading the L1) to see how far I can get, but I'm not very
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Why do you do that? What are you trying to achieve? Better listening comprehension?
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schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5552 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 7 of 12 05 March 2011 at 3:37pm | IP Logged |
tractor wrote:
Why do you do that? What are you trying to achieve? Better listening comprehension? |
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Yes. My listening comprehension needs all the help it can get.
I'm also just interested to see if it is possible, and whether there might be some benefits in breaking the link between the language and the page. Perhaps some of the positive experiences I have had with Pimsleur and MT are not just due to the course, but simply because I'm not "burdened" by the written language.
To be honest it sort of evolved as an accident. I was transcribing the dialogue in Course I was studying, then I thought it would good practice to do the same in a language I wasn't learning and just record it phonetically, and then I thought I ought to see if I could recognise any of the sounds that cropped up again, then I thought I may as well compare it with the word for word translation.
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jdmoncada Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5026 days ago 470 posts - 741 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Finnish Studies: Russian, Japanese
| Message 8 of 12 05 March 2011 at 5:30pm | IP Logged |
We all learn our first languages without being able to read them, so yes, it is possible.
I know with my Japanese, I would likely be happy if I could speak and listen and not worry with reading or writing. When Is tarted studying that, it was all audio, and I was really happy with that. In a strange way, I felt I had made a lot of unfettered progress because I could just use it. Of course, I have only been learning Japanese for 2 months, and at this stage all progress feels profound.
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