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| mizunooto Groupie United Kingdom Joined 4698 days ago 42 posts - 47 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Swedish, Danish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Mandarin, Japanese, Polish, Kazakh, Malay | Message 1 of 9 12 May 2012 at 10:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have been looking for a while but can't see anything on Siberian languages here. Is anyone/has anyone been/will anyone be learning one or some of these? They seem to be grouped like this:
Chukotko-Kamchatkan Yukaghir Nivkh Yeniseian (?Dené–Yeniseian) also sometimes including: Eskimo–Aleut Ainu (from Wikipedia Palaeosiberian Languages page) I don't have any knowledge of these at all, but I would be extremely interested in finding out more. Anyone else? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Vihelik Pentaglot Newbie Estonia Joined 4598 days ago 17 posts - 56 votes  Speaks: Estonian*, Mandarin, English, Russian, Korean Studies: Tibetan, Spanish, French | Message 2 of 9 12 May 2012 at 11:24pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have dabbled with Yukaghir and looked at Chukchi and Koryak. There aren't any instructional materials available, except for a small number alphabet books and simple readers for native speakers at elementary school level. The best Chukchi and Koryak grammars were published in the sixties in Russian; however, there is a good descriptive Yukaghir grammar by Maslova that was published in 2003 in English. Unfortunately, none of these grammars are pedagogical; thus, they are unsuitable for learning conversation. There is also a Chukchi textbook that was published a couple of years ago in France, but I haven't seen it.
Good luck with Nivkh, Ket (Yeniseian), and other smaller Siberian languages, since anything worth a look is again descriptive and unsuitable for pedagogy. Your best bet is to concentrate on Eskimoan languages or Aleut; in recent years there has been a trickle of instructional materials coming out, although some of them are of dubious quality. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| sbrn2005 Newbie Korea, South Joined 4770 days ago 14 posts - 25 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean | Message 3 of 9 02 July 2012 at 12:56am | IP Logged | ||
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Here are some links to Alaskan language resources, if you're interested:
http://www.uaf.edu/anlc/ http://www.alutiiqlanguage.org/html/background/alutiiq-progr ams.php http://archive.org/details/rosettaproject_ale_morsyn-2 I myself would be interested in studying Alutiiq or Aleut for language revitalization purposes and because I build traditional kayaks. Good luck! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5274 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 4 of 9 02 July 2012 at 1:14am | IP Logged | ||
No offense, but I just see no point in learning these unless you are a professional linguist or have a personal connection to these people (family, live among them). They are so arcane (and on the way out), likely difficult, lacking non-native and non-oral resources, lacking a well-established literature, and generally not needed for communication (English, Russian, and Japanese will do just fine), that it just doesn't seem to be worth the effort. That said, there's no doubt that for a number of these it will be very hard to find English language resources. For Ainu, your best bet are Japanese resources, and for most of the rest it would be Russian resources. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5131 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 5 of 9 02 July 2012 at 1:35am | IP Logged | ||
Worth is very subjective. I know I shouldn't be, but I'm continually surprised to see this type of discouragement on the forum. The original poster doesn't go into detail as to why he's interested in the language, so I don't see why anyone should be so quick to discourage. R. == Edited by hrhenry on 02 July 2012 at 1:41am 7 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| KimG Diglot Groupie Norway Joined 4978 days ago 88 posts - 104 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Portuguese, Swahili | Message 6 of 9 02 July 2012 at 6:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well, there should be some resources about Ainu in Japanese, tho, since Mizuno seem to have studied it, might be interesting, since they live in same region as the Japanese. Tho it's only about 10-15 native speakers. :/
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| sbrn2005 Newbie Korea, South Joined 4770 days ago 14 posts - 25 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean | Message 7 of 9 03 July 2012 at 4:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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For Ainu you could try the museum in Nibutani, Hokkaido. They used to have a children's daycare that was supposed to be taught in Ainu, I'm not sure what's become of it though.
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| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5350 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 8 of 9 03 July 2012 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | ||
I think you're in the minority here on this forum. Most of us would understand exactly why someone would be interested in these languages without any of the reasons you gave. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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