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Uniceros Bilingual Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4594 days ago 11 posts - 11 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: German, Latin, French
| Message 1 of 14 16 May 2012 at 2:44am | IP Logged |
I'm currently trying to build a collection of sources to learn both Norwegian and Dutch (in the not-too-distant future) and would like some opinions or recommendations.
I'm looking at the following books:
Norwegian:
http://www.amazon.com/Norwegian-An-Essential-Grammar-Grammar s/dp/0415109795/ref=pd_luc_wl_02_04_t_lh
Dutch:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0415774438/ref=s9_simh_co_p 14_d0_g14_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=left-2&pf_rd_r=11 FGQT7N3W0PA90T2NKF&pf_rd_t=3201&pf_rd_p=1280661782&pf_rd_i=t yp01
Sad thing is, I was just in Oslo for a week but was hesitant to pay so much for books while I was there. I'm having a hard time finding materials to learn Norwegian now that I'm back in the US. I did manage to get a copy of "En pingles dagbok" from a norli to use as my first reader (eventually). I also got DVDs of Pocahontas and Finding Nemo with Norwegian audio tracks, since I know those movies like the back of my hand and have used them in my German studies as well.
I think I'm going to have a hard time finding similar resources for Dutch without actually going to the Netherlands. I'm supposed to go to Germany in the fall, so maybe I can convince my friends to take a train over for some shopping.
As far as dictionaries go, I'm trying to get my hands on Langenscheidt pocket dictionaries just to get a good vocabulary base at first. I also snagged a Norwegian English travel dictionary while I was there last week.
Any help would be appreciated!
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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5131 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe
| Message 2 of 14 16 May 2012 at 3:19am | IP Logged |
Can't speak for Dutch, but after completing an English-based course (could be any number of them - there are plenty), I'd recommend looking for both På Vei and Stein på stein - two Norwegian-based courses aimed at immigrants to Norway.
They're both very good courses, and should be done in succession.
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| Uniceros Bilingual Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4594 days ago 11 posts - 11 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: German, Latin, French
| Message 3 of 14 16 May 2012 at 1:03pm | IP Logged |
I saw those courses linked in another thread, I explored a little bit and plan to dig deeper once I get to that level. My first step with both languages is to browse through some grammar outlines so I can get a better idea of what I'm in for. I'm particularly excited about Norsk.
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| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4750 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish
| Message 4 of 14 16 May 2012 at 7:34pm | IP Logged |
The most important book for understanding spoken Norwegian:
An Introduction to Norwegian Dialects
By Olaf Husby, Tore Høyte
http://www.tapirforlag.no/node/1174
(Remember than Bokmål is a written language, and not really spoken outside the West Oslo/Baerum area, and people from other parts of Norway don't switch from their dialect to Bokmål, because they don't identify themselves with the West End Oslo/Baerum area; so studying dialects is fundamental...For example the Stavanger dialect is much closer to Nynorsk than to Bokmål;
Stavanger, Sogndal, Stril, Møre og Romsdal and Troms dialects always rank high in Norwegian pools on the best/finest dialect, the most hated are West Oslo, Trondheim, Bergen and Fredrikstad dialects)
depending on a dialect, A GIRL / THE GIRL can be said as
ei jente / jenta (Nynorsk and radical Bokmål, most dialect in the West)
ei jente / jentå (Stavanger)
ei jenta / jenta (Tromsø, Harstad )
en jenta / jenta (parts of Finnmark)
en jente / jenta (East Oslo and most towns in the Southeast, northern Troms)
en jente / jenten (Bergen, West Oslo, conservative Bokmål)
Edited by Camundonguinho on 16 May 2012 at 7:56pm
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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5131 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe
| Message 5 of 14 16 May 2012 at 7:57pm | IP Logged |
Camundonguinho wrote:
Stavanger, Sogndal, Stril, Møre og Romsdal and Troms dialects always rank high in Norwegian pools on the best/finest dialect, the most hated are West Oslo, Trondheim, Bergen and Fredrikstad dialects)
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According to whom? What Norwegian pools?
R.
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| Tamise Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom jllrr.wordpress.com/ Joined 5244 days ago 115 posts - 161 votes Speaks: English*, German, Dutch Studies: French, Japanese, Spanish
| Message 6 of 14 16 May 2012 at 10:55pm | IP Logged |
I have the grammar book you're looking at for Dutch and have found it very good (all that series actually). I hope to get the Intermediate one soon.
For other books, I started with a Dutch one from Prisma called Nederlands voor buitenlanders which has a lot of practical stuff in it (it's designed for people in the Netherlands I think).
I do have TY Complete Dutch, but it just annoys me. At the moment I'm using Colloquial 2 Dutch as I found knowing German and watching stupid amounts of Dutch police shows (via www.uitzendinggemist.nl) meant I had a fair head-start and could go to the level 2 book rather than the beginners one.
In terms of dictionaries, I've a small Prisma one (well, two volume NL-EN and EN-NL) and also a monolingual Dutch for learners from Prisma too - that's the one I tend to use when reading.
You can get books from www.bol.com, but the postage costs are ridiculous, though only a couple more Euros to the US than it would cost to the UK. Dutch books are fairly expensive too. If you're in German and not too far from the Netherlands, then a trip might be worth it, as you can find secondhand books and "damaged" copies for a fair bit cheaper.
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| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4750 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish
| Message 7 of 14 17 May 2012 at 12:21pm | IP Logged |
hrhenry wrote:
Camundonguinho wrote:
Stavanger, Sogndal, Stril, Møre og Romsdal and Troms dialects always rank high in Norwegian pools on the best/finest dialect, the most hated are West Oslo, Trondheim, Bergen and Fredrikstad dialects)
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SJARMERENDE: Pia Tjeltas stavangerdialekt er den mest sjarmerende i hele landet, ifølge Dagbladets lesere.
:)
http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/02/11/nyheter/innenriks/dialekt er/stavanger/15406193/
http://p3.no/hallop3/norges-mest-sexy-dialekt/
''Dialect which, according to Dagbladet's readers is the country's least charming comes from the West End, Oslo, and is a clear loser ''
Edited by Camundonguinho on 17 May 2012 at 12:23pm
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| ikinaridango Triglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 6126 days ago 61 posts - 80 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, Italian Studies: German, Polish
| Message 8 of 14 23 May 2012 at 3:59pm | IP Logged |
Assimil are generally a good option if you like to have lots of audio solely in the
target language. They publish Dutch with Ease in an English-language edition. I've
not used it myself, but I understand that a lot of people on this site have, and have
found it quite good.
Assimil also do a Norwegian course. This one hasn't been adapted for the English or
Spanish speaker, but does exist in French and German formats, both of which I notice
you're currently studying. I don't know how comfortable you are with them yet, but by the
time you're ready to tackle Norwegian you may be able to study through one of them.
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