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VityaCo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 7079 days ago 79 posts - 86 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Russian*, Ukrainian*, English Studies: Spanish, Japanese, French
| Message 9 of 14 27 May 2012 at 9:04am | IP Logged |
Hi, osheari1!
My congratulations on finishing this very difficult language course.
Since it is a really old one, I would recommend to you and everyone else, who tried to use older but better or cheaper courses like myself, to buy a contemporary traveler guide with an audio for about 60 - 90 minutes. It is hard to learn a language with them, but they are very good in learning the contemporary vocabulary and pronunciation. Berlitz guide would be a great place to start to look at them.
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 10 of 14 27 May 2012 at 9:43am | IP Logged |
Wulfgar wrote:
I saw an idiom with товарищ. I wonder if it's out of date. It was in the
new Assimil.
edit: На вкус и цвет товарищей нет!
It's actually the title of a lesson, so it would be funny if it were obsolete. |
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It is widespread now. Товарищ is a normal Russian word, but its usage in the meaning of
"Mr", "Mrs", "Miss" became rare outside of the army and somewhere else.
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| Thatzright Diglot Senior Member Finland Joined 5670 days ago 202 posts - 311 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English Studies: French, Swedish, German, Russian
| Message 11 of 14 27 May 2012 at 4:37pm | IP Logged |
Pisces wrote:
In Finnish the translation is 'kaveri' (also for Communists). It's very
commonly used to talk about classmates or people at your workplace - kurssikaverit,
työkaverit. Is товарищ used in the same way in Russia? |
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Actually it's 'toveri' in Finnish, which is indeed a direct translation of 'tovarish'.
'Kaveri' means just 'friend'.
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| Pisces Bilingual Pentaglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4620 days ago 143 posts - 284 votes Speaks: English*, Finnish*, French, SwedishC1, Esperanto Studies: German, Spanish, Russian
| Message 12 of 14 27 May 2012 at 4:45pm | IP Logged |
Oh, yes, that's right. But 'kurssitoveri' and 'työtoveri' exist, so the question remains the same.
Strictly speaking, one's 'kaverit' are not necessarily one's friends.
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| Thatzright Diglot Senior Member Finland Joined 5670 days ago 202 posts - 311 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English Studies: French, Swedish, German, Russian
| Message 13 of 14 27 May 2012 at 4:57pm | IP Logged |
Pisces wrote:
Oh, yes, that's right. But 'kurssitoveri' and 'työtoveri' exist, so the
question remains the same.
Strictly speaking, one's 'kaverit' are not necessarily one's friends. |
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True. I was just struggling to come up with a better translation for 'kaveri'... well, I
suppose 'companion' could do, but it's doesn't feel quite the same to me. I don't know. I
do get the feeling that 'tovarish' is not used in the same way in Russian, since it has
way more political connotations in its origin language and is very much associated with
the Soviet era. Of course, a native Russian probably knows best.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 14 of 14 27 May 2012 at 6:48pm | IP Logged |
I've already replied on the previous page :)))
Other than that, it's not always associated with politics/USSR. In some cases it's natural.
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