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| Spiderkat Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5813 days ago 175 posts - 248 votes  Speaks: French*, English Studies: Russian | Message 9 of 30 27 May 2012 at 2:59am | IP Logged | |||||
She sang rolling the Rs but those were still uvular trills, not alveolar. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4666 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 10 of 30 27 May 2012 at 3:09am | IP Logged | |||||
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Yes, you are correct.
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| COF Senior Member United States Joined 5832 days ago 262 posts - 354 votes Speaks: English* | Message 11 of 30 27 May 2012 at 3:33am | IP Logged | |||||
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French people, particularly Parisians, tend to look down on rolled Rs as being uneducated, backward and very Southern.
However, the French language has a far longer history of rolling Rs than it does gutteral Rs. I think gutteral Rs are horrible and make French sound a more ugly language than when using a rolled R. Don't be bullied by Parisian arrogance and snobbery. Many French speakers use rolled Rs and they are perfectly understandable to any French speaker. Edited by COF on 27 May 2012 at 3:34am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4750 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish | Message 12 of 30 27 May 2012 at 3:47am | IP Logged | |||||
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In Burgundy, there are many educated people who roll their R's , in informal situations, when speaking to people from their local community.
(So, this would be the region of France that still hasn't been completely overtaken by the uvular R). But, in formal situations or when talking with people outside their region, they switch to the uvular R because they don't want to be labeled as ''ignorant'' or ''peasant''. Edited by Camundonguinho on 27 May 2012 at 3:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| JujuLeCaribou Diglot Newbie Thailand myonlinefrencht Joined 4704 days ago 28 posts - 44 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Portuguese, Thai, German, Dutch | Message 13 of 30 27 May 2012 at 7:16am | IP Logged | |||||
LOL ! People living in Roussillon and Bourgogne roll the R. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5017 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 14 of 30 27 May 2012 at 7:17am | IP Logged | |||||
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In any case, the French R is not as complicated as it is made out to be?
Maybe you are trying too hard and subjecting your throat to unneccesary pressure in the process. :p I would advise you to go through the relevant sections in FSI French Phonology, before giving up completely. I have used the course and its been very helpful. After all, its a free resource, so what have you got to loose? 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 15 of 30 27 May 2012 at 9:35am | IP Logged | |||||
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Alveolar trill is a more difficult sound than the guttural sound. But in French it
doesn't really matter in comparison with everything else. Also French R is not a trill, it is a light sound, nearly velar, like Irish broad gh. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| COF Senior Member United States Joined 5832 days ago 262 posts - 354 votes Speaks: English* | Message 16 of 30 27 May 2012 at 11:33am | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, and they're looked down on by many Parisians as backward, rural and peasant-like as a result. Many people who usually roll the R in their dialect have a tendency to adopt a gutteral R if they move to Paris, to avoid discrimination or ridicule. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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