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Rolling the French R?

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tractor
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 Message 25 of 30
15 June 2012 at 11:10pm | IP Logged 
Arekkusu wrote:
Few people realize that the uvular R is a fairly recent phenomenon that spread across
languages through the mid 1800's -- across French, German, Dutch, Danish... In fact, the existence of pairs of
words like chaire and chaise points to people having a difficult time adapting to this new way of speaking (some
would replace r with z).

Le Petit Robert dates the form 'chaeze' to 1420, so it probably has noting to do with recent changes to the
pronunciation of the R.
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Arekkusu
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 Message 26 of 30
16 June 2012 at 3:42am | IP Logged 
tractor wrote:
Arekkusu wrote:
Few people realize that the uvular R is a fairly recent phenomenon
that spread across
languages through the mid 1800's -- across French, German, Dutch, Danish... In fact, the existence of pairs
of
words like chaire and chaise points to people having a difficult time adapting to this new way of speaking
(some
would replace r with z).

Le Petit Robert dates the form 'chaeze' to 1420, so it probably has noting to do with recent changes to the
pronunciation of the R.

A Linguistics professor told me. Serves me right for not checking...
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aaronfan
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 Message 27 of 30
23 June 2012 at 4:53am | IP Logged 
In one of my favorite French films, Une femme est une femme (1961, Jean-Luc Goddard), there is a scene where l'homme and le femme sit at table; he accuses her that she cannot even pronounce her R's. Then they precede to roll (?) R's at each other for the next two minutes. It's hilarious. But as I was watching a couple nights ago, I asked myself, Isn't this the trilled R like in Spanish? Because I didn't know and didn't think that anyone could roll or carry the guttaral (uvular) R on incessantly for half a minute or a minute, like I can in Spanish or Russian, or just to annoy people. ;)

It's a great film.
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tastyonions
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 Message 28 of 30
23 June 2012 at 5:28am | IP Logged 
Netflix keeps recommending that movie to me, so maybe I will check it out.

Before I started learning French and (as a result) looking into phonetics, I had no idea that the uvular trill even existed. And when I figured out how to do it I went around rolling it for a while and saying words with Rs in a really elongated, exaggerated way just for the fun of it. Guess I am a bit weird. :-P
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morinkhuur
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 Message 29 of 30
23 June 2012 at 10:30am | IP Logged 
While there may be some dialects that use the alveolar trill (i think it's mainly the african ones which are mostly
foreign accents rather than dialects anyways), the r is most probably not going to be the only sound you aren't
getting right, so you won't sound like a native speaker from burgundy with your foreign accent and the rolled r.
native speakers are only going to think you are from one of the alveolar trill regions if all other parts of your
pronunciation sound native (or sound the way they would in that dialect).
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lecavaleur
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 Message 30 of 30
23 June 2012 at 6:58pm | IP Logged 
If you have the opportunity, take a phonetics class or workshop for either FSL or French
natives. You will improve greatly.

Edited by lecavaleur on 23 June 2012 at 6:58pm



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