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Jappy58 Bilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member United States Joined 4639 days ago 200 posts - 413 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Guarani*, Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Egyptian), Arabic (Maghribi), Arabic (Written), French, English, Persian, Quechua, Portuguese Studies: Modern Hebrew
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lovinglanguage wrote:
What a fascinating discussion! I love talking about Arabic dialects. I lived in Morocco for 9 months and I learned Moroccan dialect *before* MSA. A few observations from my experience.
* I spent some time in Lebanon. A man asked me how I knew Arabic. I told him that I had lived in Morocco. He hollered at me, telling me that Moroccan is not Arabic--it's Barbarian!
* In Lebanon, I saw a news program with a Moroccan segment. The bit was subtitled!
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Yes, the idea that Moroccan has nothing to do with Arabic is somewhat widespread. Arab elitists often look down on Moroccan especially because of its relative divergence from the classical/standard forms of the language. Furthermore, ordinary Arabs sometimes feel this as well when they first hear a Maghrebi dialect. Of course, anybody who studies the dialect for a while comes to realize that Moroccan indeed has plenty of Arabic in it, much more so than French and Berber - something that one doesn't notice in the initial stage.
Subtitles are frequent, particularly when Arabs who speak an Eastern dialect are dealing with a Western dialect. Occasionally, it also happens within Eastern dialects. I remember watching a series in Egypt in which there was a segment where Iraqi Arabic was spoken. Subtitles were included. The Egyptians that were with me said they understood more than half without the subtitles, but there were some important parts they couldn't have gotten without them. On the other hand, most Levant Arabs have a greater understanding of the Iraqi dialects.
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