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| nightmuser Newbie China Joined 4526 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes Studies: Norwegian | Message 1 of 8 11 July 2012 at 2:35am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I have practised the norwegian 'r' for many times and still feel really hard to pronunce the right sound. Could anybody tell me how to pronunce the sound step by step? and is there any techniques when speaking this sound? How did you conquer this dreadful pronunciation?
Thanks in advance. Edited by nightmuser on 11 July 2012 at 2:55am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6913 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 2 of 8 11 July 2012 at 10:00am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Which 'r' are you thinking of and what is your native language? I mostly hear trill and retroflex - if you have any idea of how Spanish (or Scottish English) sound, you're close enough for the trill r. The r can be retroflex before d, n, t, l and s, in which case you can imitate American English (or a heavily Beijing-accented English). rn - similar to hoRN
rd - similar to haRD rt - similar to huRT rs - similar to haRSH rl - similar to huRL Note that Bergen-accent has a throaty r in all positions (not identical to French or German, but close enough, should you have any idea of how these languages sound). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4525 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 3 of 8 11 July 2012 at 4:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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An alveolar tap is sufficient, a short trill wouldn't be wrong either. If the trill is too hard to pronounce for you, go for the tap, it requires less energy and comes more natural for people without a trill in their native language.
As for the "retroflex r": before d, it is usually pronounced like the standard r and the d is not pronounced at all (that has actually nothing to do with the r but with the d - the d is usually silent after a consonant, thus it isn't affected by the r. This isn't the case when 2 words are spoken together, like "for dem". Here the d can't be silent and thus it is affected by the r just like a t would be) before the other consonants Jeff mentioned, the r isn't pronounced at all, but the other consonant becomes a retroflex one, ie. you point the tip of your tongue backwards while pronouncing the consonant. For rs however, you don't need to point the tip of your tongue backwards but you just retract the whole tongue (so the tip of the tongue meets with the roof of the mouth farther back than usual, but the tip still points forward. Be aware that this is the textbook pronunciation for foreign learners reading Bokmål aloud (there is no real standard pronunciation that I am aware of...almost everybody speaks dialect anyways), pronunciation in different dialects may be different. Edited by daegga on 11 July 2012 at 9:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5457 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 4 of 8 11 July 2012 at 5:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The pronucniation of the R varies from region to region. There are dialects where it's almost like a French R, where
it's almost like a Spanish R and where it's almost like an American R. Not all dialects have the retroflex. Unless you want to learn a specific dialect or regional variant, just follow the textbook pronunciation, and you'll be fine. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| nightmuser Newbie China Joined 4526 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes Studies: Norwegian | Message 5 of 8 12 July 2012 at 2:26am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Jeff, Thanks. 1.My native language is Mandarin. I know how to roll the R in Spanish. Can I just use it to replace the R in norwegian? But the r in Spanish seems to pronounce longer. 2.Any pronounciation difference between r before and after a vowel, e.g ar Vs. ra; 2. For rd/rn/rt/rl/rs, I have now acquired it.Thanks. 3. For R+other consanants, e.g. rg/rk/rb, r is silent? if not, how to pronounce? 4. For the words ending with er/or (e.g. her, er, heter, kommer, bor), does the r pronounce? and what's pronounciation of e? ae or e? Sorry for so many questions. Edited by nightmuser on 12 July 2012 at 3:48am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| nightmuser Newbie China Joined 4526 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes Studies: Norwegian | Message 6 of 8 12 July 2012 at 10:07am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Tractor, if i pronounce it in English "r", could the native norwegian understand? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5457 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 7 of 8 12 July 2012 at 5:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes, you will be understood. However, it will make your Norwegian sound "foreign". The American or English sounding r is only found in a few dialects in Northern Norway. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5457 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 8 of 8 12 July 2012 at 9:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Pronounce it like the "normal R" (i.e. not the retroflex).
Yes. Be aware that in many dialects 'er' is 'e' and 'heter' is 'hete' without the R, so you'll hear that often when people are talking. In Standard Norwegian (Bokmål or Nynorsk) however, you'll have to pronounce the R.
Oh, the pronunciation of the E varies from word to word, and from dialect to dialect. It can be a closed e [e], an open e [ɛ], an æ [æ] or a schwa [ə] depending on the word and the dialect or regional accent. There are probably some rules that govern this, but as a native speaker I don't know them. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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