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| decamillisjacob Newbie Canada Joined 4733 days ago 38 posts - 63 votes  | Message 1 of 4 12 July 2012 at 2:26am | IP Logged |
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In light of my studying Modern Turkish, I have to inquire about its predecessor, Ottoman Turkish. Now I know that two major differences between the two include the change in orthography as well as the purging of Arabic and Persian vocabulary from Ottoman Turkish in order to form Modern Turkish---however, how exactly did the transition work at the spoken level? Did Turks just wake up one morning expected to speak a more Turkic Turkish? Was Ottoman Turkish more of a literary language? I've been told by Turks themselves that Ottoman Turkish is unintelligible without training...
I'd like to be enlightened... should anybody know anything. Edited by decamillisjacob on 12 July 2012 at 7:43am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| onurdolar Diglot Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4653 days ago 98 posts - 147 votes Speaks: Turkish*, English Studies: Italian, German | Message 2 of 4 12 July 2012 at 10:47am | IP Logged |
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First yes ottoman turkish is totally unintelligible without training for speakers of modern
Turkish and I might go even further as to say learning English is easier. About your questions on transition, ottoman was only spoken by educated elite of the empire and was totally alien to illiterate common people. Modern Turkish is actually closer to their language. Yet transition didn't take one day or year but dedicated efforts of government for a long period. Prior to language reform turkey didn't have a working educational system but rather multiple unorganized schools. So existing educational system is built on language reform. So for majority of population it was not actually a reform but rather a revolution. As for educated elite they were not expected only to learn but also to participate in reform and people who resisted actually risked their survival in Turkey. I would say ottoman as a living language survived as late as 1930's but no more. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5274 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 3 of 4 12 July 2012 at 1:50pm | IP Logged |
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How much influence did Greek, Armenian, Georgian, Albanian, and Slavic vocabulary have on Ottoman Turkish? I
ask because these were the cultures occupied by the empire. Then again, if vocabulary was imported more so because of religion than geographic proximity, then Persian and Arabic being the main influences makes much more sense. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| onurdolar Diglot Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4653 days ago 98 posts - 147 votes Speaks: Turkish*, English Studies: Italian, German | Message 4 of 4 12 July 2012 at 3:16pm | IP Logged |
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Well all the languages you mentioned had some influence on turkish most important öne being gerek
however this influence is very small compared to Arabic and Persian. This has several reasons first being Turks sharing a common past with especially Persian since pre Muslim Turks.of eight century were already in contact with Persians. The ruler class of pre Islamic Turkish empire were fluent speakers of sogdian. Also they were trading with Persians since begining of the millennium. With Arabs.they came in touch in eight century resulting in Turks islamizing five centuries prior to foundation of ottoman empire and Turkish conquest of orthodox Europe. Second reason is ottoman millet system. Ottomans categorised.their subjects according to their religion and gave them some authority especially to patriarchs and sheiks. This system did put Arabic and Turkish subjects of the empire under same category so according to ottomans there were no difference between a Turk and a Sunni Arab or bisniak. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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